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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    True.

    Change that to "...since homosexuality is a different mental state from heterosexuality, and some people are of the opinion that it is a mental illness."
    I don't necessarily agree. And many other people with varying forms of mental illness serve, depending on how you define mental illness.
    I know this guy who would probably define the mental state of anyone volunteering for the Marines as "ill".
    No, I see no need to alter my correct opinions to meet your expectations.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I bet you can't prove this.
    Last time I proved it I got banned.

    The proof was quite effective, apparently.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Last time I proved it I got banned.

    The proof was quite effective, apparently.
    Haha. Bull****. We'll let you prove it. Come on.
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Spartans are no longer around, are they? uh, yeah!
    Neither are the Romans, the Persians, Babylonians..... Oh wait, it must have been homosexuality that brought down those empires too.....

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Who's Malcolm the Tenth?

    He got a last name so's we can google him?
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    He founded the Black Panthers, did he not?

    He co-founded the Nation of Islam, did he not?

    Case closed.
    That Malcolm X. Don't be a pussy and reply to that thread anytime you want.
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    "Discrimination" is a word that means "make a choice".

    That's it.

    And, since no one has a right to serve in the US military, as the exclusion of physically disabled and psychologically ill people shows, and since (they're gonna ban again me for this) since homosexuality is a form of mental illness, be it genetically or environmentally derived, then excluding yet another class of mentally ill applicants is not in itself some immoral form of discrimination, but perfectly reasonable.

    The Left should constrain it's failed social engineering experiments to their own clubs, and leave the safety of the nation to the professionals.
    Last I checked, homosexuality did not interfere with the ability to comprehend orders, nor does it interfere with ones ability to comprehend reality, nor differentiate between the imaginary and objective world, nor does homosexuality prevent one from understanding complex commands, arithmetic or social cues. Thus homosexuality does not fall within mental illness as defined by science.

    Secondly even if you were to argue that it is a mental illness, because homosexuality does not actually effect soldiering ability in the way that mental retardation, schizophrenia, bi-polar, hyper-mani or depression might effect the function of a soldier, there is no good reason to discriminate on those grounds, as doing so is not actually minimizing harm.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, I see no need to alter my correct opinions to meet your expectations.
    Well of course not. Just letting you know what my opinion is as well.
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It may not be the direct issue, but it's the same exact principal. The fact is allowing homosexuals to live and bunk with their genders is inappropriate and damaging to the military. But my question still stands, is it discrimination to not allow a man in a women's bathroom simply because his gender is male?
    It isn't even close to the same exact principal. Homosexuals ALREADY live and bunk with the "genders" and it isn't inappropriate or damaging to the military.
    The only issue is whether they are honest about it or have to lie.
    Under your rationale....telling the truth would be immoral and lying would be moral. Can't you see how demented that is?
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It isn't even close to the same exact principal. Homosexuals ALREADY live and bunk with the "genders" and it isn't inappropriate or damaging to the military.
    The only issue is whether they are honest about it or have to lie.
    Under your rationale....telling the truth would be immoral and lying would be moral. Can't you see how demented that is?
    So joining the military knowing one is homosexual isn't immoral....knowing as early as boot camp's first night that being honest about who you are...doesn't sit on the shoulder's of the recruit? Because he or she disagrees with DADT, any recruit realizes upon signing(it is a volunteer army) he or she won't be afforded openness....it's part of the agreement.

    How demented would it be to all of the sudden begin pretending you're harmed by your inability to be yourself. You don't like the rules, resign. don't like it that you cannot put a picture up of your loved one...retire. Serve your years out following the rules.
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It isn't even close to the same exact principal. Homosexuals ALREADY live and bunk with the "genders" and it isn't inappropriate or damaging to the military.
    The only issue is whether they are honest about it or have to lie.
    Under your rationale....telling the truth would be immoral and lying would be moral. Can't you see how demented that is?
    And homosexuals already use mens bathrooms and there isn't any bad consequence unless they were to state they were homosexual (and thus making people uncomfortable), this is why DADT is essential for gays to be in the military. Right now there is no problem with gays in the military because no one knows who is gay unless they tell someone or do some sort of homosexual act. My rational isn't saying to lie, it's saying to keep things quiet so no one feels uncomfortable, violated, or put in inappropriate situations. Essentially, don't ask if someone is gay, and don't tell if you are gay. This way everyone can serve and no one feels uncomfortable/violated. To serve and be openly gay would make many uncomfortable living, showering, and sharing facilities with that homosexual person for obvious reasons. We have male and female facilities for the same reason why we shouldn't allow openly gay individuals in the military, it makes people uncomfortable and is not appropriate.
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