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Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

Catz Part Deux said:
Ceasefire utilizes heavy law enforcement plus intervention and violence interruptors. There is no negotiation with gangs. Thus, your statement is ridiculous.
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Tha'll be the day.
 
Blackdog said:
Lot's of things.

I am not defending gang leaders, I am defending the rule of law, and equality for all citizens under that law.
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How noble of you, hey everybody Blackdog da man!
 
Blackdog said:
Thugs they may be, but they do not represent an armed force. They represent at most a gang association which again is not illegal. If it was, they would already be arrested.

So no it is not unconstitutional to be affiliated with a gang.



White supremacy militia groups etc would all be subject to this?
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Crazy talk.......:screwy
 
PeteEU said:
but but I thought there was no gang crime and everything was rosey and so on... guess not..
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Nah, this is America, and the Land of the Formerly Free is infested with socialists and other collectivists, so naturally there's street crime.
 
I never realized precisely how stupid some of our fellow posters are...until today.
 
Hate to interrupt all the side arguments, but it looks like they got the shooter, a 16-year old.

Los Angeles police said Tuesday that they have arrested a teenage tagger suspected of fatally shooting a veteran gang interventionist after he confronted the youth over graffiti.

The suspect, who is 16, is a Los Angeles resident but police declined to identify him, citing his age. Police noted the boy was not affiliated with a street gang, contrary to a department news release that stated investigators believed the shooter belonged to a gang.

"He's a tagger, not a gang member," said Los Angeles Police Department Cmdr. Andrew Smith, who said investigators received help in identifying the suspect by Los Angeles Unified School police.

Police said the boy fatally shot Ronald Lamonte Barron, who worked for the interventionist organization Amer-I-Can.

Barron and his girlfriend were leaving a bar Sunday night in his old neighborhood in the Mid-Wilshire area when he noticed a tagger defacing a wall on Pico Boulevard. Detectives said Barron confronted the tagger, who fatally shot him as his girlfriend and others looked on.

Surveillance video appeared to show a gunman wearing dark-colored clothing arguing with Barron in front of "numerous witnesses." The suspect then pulled out a pistol and shot Barron, 40, multiple times at point-blank range before calmly walking away from the scene.
Barron's death was mourned not only in the gang intervention world but at City Hall and LAPD headquarters, where the reformed Mansfield Crips gang member was seen as an honest broker in the effort to reduce the grip of gangs in some neighborhoods.

The LAPD's Smith said that in addition to more police, gang intervention workers would step up their presence in the neighborhood to reduce tensions.
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Police arrest teenage tagger suspected in fatal shooting of veteran L.A. gang outreach worker | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times
 
Wow, it feels like I clicked through a portal and ended up on FreeRepublic.

Some of you people make me sick.
 
Blackdog said:
You have got to be kidding me.

So you are going to fabricate about your own statements as well?

Can't debate the facts or answer my questions.

figures. :yawn:
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Now you have resulted in calling me a liar, I have treated you with respect up until now. So you want to drag this thread into a baiting session and not debate on the topic. First of all everything I posted in regards to links is fact not my opinion. If you think otherwise then the onus of proof is on you. You posted statistics which doesn't diminished the fact that gangs are murdering up to 400 plus people a year in a single city. Other comments that I have made is my opinion and I never stated other wise.

That said and your wish to appease gangs and condone their behavior and tolerate the hundreds of murderers makes you bad as the gangs themselves, all under your so called concern for the rule of law. Like most in this country who are subjected to gang infested neighborhoods and the mayhem that ensues, you also turn a blind eye. As long as it isn't in my neighborhood I will defend them. Whatever you posted doesn't mean a hill of beans to those who lie dead in the streets, then again your not there to pick up the pieces.

In regards to the constitution and the statement I have made in that regard, prove otherwise.
 
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deltabtry said:
free the operative word.
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Evidently you've never heard of that cesspool. It is a political chat site just to the left of Storm Front.

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And if you want to arrest people simply for what they wear, "free" is definitely not the operative word.
 
Coronado said:
Evidently you've never heard of that cesspool. It is a political chat site just to the left of Storm Front.

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And if you want to arrest people simply for what they wear, "free" is definitely not the operative word.
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No, can't say I ever visited or read this site.
 
deltabtry said:
Now you have resulted in calling me a liar, I have treated you with respect up until now. So you want to drag this thread into a baiting session and not debate on the topic. First of all everything I posted in regards to links is fact not my opinion. If you think otherwise then the onus of proof is on you. You posted statistics which doesn't diminished the fact that gangs are murdering up to 400 plus people a year in a single city. Other comments that I have made is my opinion and I never stated other wise.
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The operative word is "gangs." You stated....

we are talking about one gang currently, if you wish we can talk about all gangs but this will take quite some time." - deltabtry

So which was it? Either we were talking about one gang or just gangs in general? Either way at this point, we know for a fact that one of your statements was indeed a fabrication, correct?

deltabtry said:
That said and your wish to appease gangs and condone their behavior and tolerate the hundreds of murderers makes you bad as the gangs themselves, all under your so called concern for the rule of law.
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Please point out where I said any of this or even implied it?

Another fabrication.

deltabtry said:
Like most in this country who are subjected to gang infested neighborhoods and the mayhem that issues, you also turn a blind eye.
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Wanting them to be treated by the criminal justice system and not a lynch mob is somehow turning a blind eye? :lol:

deltabtry said:
As long as it isn't in my neighborhood I will defend them.
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Read that back and tell me what sense it makes? I grew up on the South side if Chicago. I know what gangs are capable of all to well.

deltabtry said:
Whatever you posted doesn't mean a hill of beans to those who lie dead in the streets, then again your not there to pick up the pieces.
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Appeal to emotion, please.

deltabtry said:
In regards to the constitution and the statement I have made in that regard, prove otherwise.
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Have you actually read anything I posted?

It has to do with that whole life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Until they are busted for an actual crime, they are free to associate with whomever they wish, just like everybody else. Without fear of arrest.
 
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Blackdog said:
The operative word is "gangs." You stated....


So which was it? Either we were talking about one gang or just gangs in general? Either way at this point, we know for a fact that one of your statements was indeed a fabrication, correct?



Please point out where I said any of this or even implied it?

Another fabrication.



Wanting them to be treated by the criminal justice system and not a lynch mob is somehow turning a blind eye? :lol:



Read that back and tell me what sense it makes? I grew up on the South side if Chicago. I know what gangs are capable of all to well.



Appeal to emotion, please.



Have you actually read anything I posted?

It has to do with that whole life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Until they are busted for an actual crime, they are free to associate with whomever they wish, just like everybody else. Without fear of arrest.
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b]we are talking about one gang currently, if you wish we can talk about all gangs but this will take quite some time.[
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So which was it? Either we were talking about one gang or just gangs in general? Either way at this point, we know for a fact that one of your statements was indeed a fabrication, correct?
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Fabrication..what are talking about? How is this a fabrication, I was on topic..L.A. gangs, you are the one that went off on a tagent with mentioning other gangs, none the less I addressed that, read your post. Your baiting again.

Please point out where I said any of this or even implied it?
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read your own post
Wanting them to be treated by the criminal justice system and not a lynch mob is somehow turning a blind eye?
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No one mentioned lynch mob, now your fabricating.

Read that back and tell me what sense it makes? I grew up on the South side if Chicago. I know what gangs are capable of all to well.
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I knew you must have been around this enviroment, explains why you have symapthy for gangs and if not can't understand why your defending them. Southside Chicago is a cesspool, this speaks volumes.

Appeal to emotion, please.
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That's right it does, the dead has a nasty habit of doing that, of course being from the southside your numb to it, business as usual.


Have you actually read anything I posted?

It has to do with that whole life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Until they are busted for an actual crime, they are free to associate with whomever they wish, just like everybody else. Without fear of arrest.
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Most gangster have already been arrested more than once and most are on probation. ..next
 
deltabtry said:
Your only referring to Capone and his gangs non the less Ness was aggressive by tearing up his drug dens, breweries etc.but, Ness's job also consisted fighting gangs in Cleveland Ohio, corruption, prohibition and corruption amongst law enforcement and so on. Read his Bio
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And that is already done. Every time you hear about a huge drug bust, that is in the image of Elliot Ness. Every time of a gun stash being found? That is in the image of Elliot Ness. Elliot Ness didn't do anything that isn't done today. Only difference is we don't have gangsters with really famous names anymore and with the frequency they existed 80-70 years ago.
 
Partisan said:
Instead of destroying cocaine in Columbia, we should be making crack as fast as we can & distributing it in South Central, free, on a daily basis ....
It might take some time, but you will get the desired result......;)
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Perhaps LSD;)
 
Hatuey said:
And that is already done. Every time you hear about a huge drug bust, that is in the image of Elliot Ness. Every time of a gun stash being found? That is in the image of Elliot Ness. Elliot Ness didn't do anything that isn't done today. Only difference is we don't have gangsters with really famous names anymore and with the frequency they existed 80-70 years ago.
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It was aggressiveness is what we were talking about, which comes on many levels. Non the less you have to admit that the court and current rules of let say engagement is severely restricted for our law enforcement officers. The murders are still at a astronomical rate and especially targeting one race of people. A tougher approach needs to be applied and the reasoning for why I started my posts here on this forum the way I did.
Now if these crimes venture out into Hollywood, San Fernando Valley at the rate and severity as it is in South Central, then we would see the law come down real hard..why is this. This is why I was arguing with Blackdog and his line of thought is why this is dragging out over generations.

BTW Eliot Ness was the example off the top of my head, a better one would be Gen Patton in his junior officer years during the raids in to Mexico going after Pancho Villa.

Everyone should be given their constitutional rights but, once entering into a gang, being armed and assaulting rivals, passersby, robberies etc., and once arrested then the gloves should come off.
 
deltabtry said:
Fabrication..what are talking about? How is this a fabrication, I was on topic..L.A. gangs, you are the one that went off on a tagent with mentioning other gangs, none the less I addressed that, read your post. Your baiting again.
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We were talking about gangs in general. You wanted to avoid the tough questions (as you have been) and go off on something that was not mentioned by anyone.

Yes you lied.

deltabtry said:
read your own post
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Again with the avoiding the questions because you lied again. :roll:

deltabtry said:
No one mentioned lynch mob, now your fabricating.
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What you suggest is the same in spirit. This had nothing to do with fabricating anything.

Nice fallacy though.

deltabtry said:
I knew you must have been around this enviroment, explains why you have symapthy for gangs and if not can't understand why your defending them. Southside Chicago is a cesspool, this speaks volumes.
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You have got to be kidding.

So in other words you got nothing.

deltabtry said:
That's right it does, the dead has a nasty habit of doing that, of course being from the southside your numb to it, business as usual.
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Same as before still got nothing.

deltabtry said:
Most gangster have already been arrested more than once and most are on probation. ..next
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So what?

50-60% (urban) males are arrested in their lifetime.

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""He's a tagger, not a gang member," said Los Angeles Police Department Cmdr. Andrew Smith, who said investigators received help in identifying the suspect by Los Angeles Unified School police."

Okay, the suspect is caught.

He should be tried...as an adult.

If convicted, his sentencing should focus on his crime, not his age.

No special exception should be made to review his case, because he's being treated as an adult.

When he's eighteen, he moves from a juvenile dentention facility to the real prison, and put in general population like all the other murderers.

I see no sign of "special circumstances", so he's not eligible for the death penalty.

Life in prison, when he's sixteen.

He should be shown only as much mercy as he showed his victim. That is, none.

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Oh, and btw: The "former gangster" who approached this nice young street artist? He was a god damned idiot for walking up to interfere. You would think he, of all people, would be aware of the danger.

That's what cops are for.
 
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
""He's a tagger, not a gang member," said Los Angeles Police Department Cmdr. Andrew Smith, who said investigators received help in identifying the suspect by Los Angeles Unified School police."

Okay, the suspect is caught.

He should be tried...as an adult.

If convicted, his sentencing should focus on his crime, not his age.

No special exception should be made to review his case, because he's being treated as an adult.

When he's eighteen, he moves from a juvenile dentention facility to the real prison, and put in general population like all the other murderers.

I see no sign of "special circumstances", so he's not eligible for the death penalty.

Life in prison, when he's sixteen.

He should be shown only as much mercy as he showed his victim. That is, none.

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Oh, and btw: The "former gangster" who approached this nice young street artist? He was a god damned idiot for walking up to interfere. You would think he, of all people, would be aware of the danger.

That's what cops are for.
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It was a kid and he was just tagging. Not to much danger in that unless the kid happens to be a sociopath as this one must have been.

Otherwise I agree.
 
Blackdog said:
We were talking about gangs in general. You wanted to avoid the tough questions (as you have been) and go off on something that was not mentioned by anyone.

Yes you lied.



Again with the avoiding the questions because you lied again. :roll:



What you suggest is the same in spirit. This had nothing to do with fabricating anything.

Nice fallacy though.



You have got to be kidding.

So in other words you got nothing.



Same as before still got nothing.



So what?

50-60% (urban) males are arrested in their lifetime.

:2wave:
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We were talking about gangs in general. You wanted to avoid the tough questions (as you have been) and go off on something that was not mentioned by anyone.

Yes you lied.
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refer to post #27 my first post, that's what my posts are based off of. If you can't comprehend that and all you wish to do is flame, then this is over.

What you suggest is the same in spirit. This had nothing to do with fabricating anything
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You know nothing your just assume and you know what that means, but we will play your game. The same can be said about your post...in spirit. You support the gangs and advocate murder by hindering law enforcement, let the readers judge for themselves.


So what?

50-60% (urban) males are arrested in their lifetime.
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Your a drone, you just don't get it. You actually can not comprehend what I just stated, perhaps I should draw a map and point you in the right direction.

50 to 60 percent and which males would these be?
 
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