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    Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And in the end what did he do to get Capone? He used the LAW.
    exactly and was jailed.

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    Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Exactly and I wasn't advocating any other style of law enforcement but, when meant with force will be responded with force..overwhelming force. Elliot Ness did exactly that and it was effective. His investigation where proactive and aggressive where as today there are not. Also the community, courts where actually on the side of the law and no plea deals where handed down. Go back further in time with the Texas rangers and U.S. Marshalls with gangs from Mexico and range wars with the cattlemen, even more aggressive tactics where used and also very effective. Gen Patton's days as a Junior officer with Gen. Sherman with border incursions by Pancho Villa also where very effective.
    Elliot Ness did not respond with overwhelming force. He got Capone on income tax evasion and with wiretaps. In the meantime, Capone and his organization were murdering and beating up other gangsters in the area. They also killed an FBI agent and had dozens of cops on bribes. Seriously. Stop while you're ahead. Elliot Ness caught Capone on a pussy charge. Nothing truly aggressive about his investigation that would more aggressive than what is done today.
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    Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    They went after them legally in the 20th century and not just killing anyone associated. They actually had to commit a crime. The 18th century gang situation was very different.

    Freedom of association is guaranteed by our Constitution.

    Why don't you learn a little about what drives youths to gangs ...

    "The Crips were formed out of the poor socio-economic and repressive conditions which African-Americans living in Los Angeles were subject to in the late 1960's. As police continued to jail and kill black youths in seeking to destroy the Black Panther Party, The Crips were formed in 1969 by Raymond Washington, loosely acting as a community organization which aimed to help disenfranchised African-American communities of L.A. The Bloods quickly followed, with a mandate to protect the community from external violence. [12] As job cuts continued to rise and employers began to hire from the cheaper labour pool of the expanding Latino immigrant community, [13] unemployment rates of African-American men reached as high as 50% in several areas of South Central Los Angeles, [14] opening up large recruitment markets for the burgeoning gangs. - Gangs in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Why don't you learn a little about what drives youths to gangs ...
    We already know why they are driven to gangs. So what do we have..more gangs and apparently your method or the one you advocate doesn't work because the body count directly or indirectly keeps going up. We have been trying to set them on the right path and the result are perhaps a few doing so and the majority creating mayhem unabated in the neighborhoods.

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    Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Elliot Ness did not respond with overwhelming force. He got Capone on income tax evasion and with wiretaps. In the meantime, Capone and his organization were murdering and beating up other gangsters in the area. They also killed an FBI agent and had dozens of cops on bribes. Seriously. Stop while you're ahead. Elliot Ness caught Capone on a pussy charge. Nothing truly aggressive about his investigation that would more aggressive than what is done today.
    Who saying Eliot Ness was a machine gun toting gunfighter law enforcer, I didn't elude to that, Elliot Ness was a aggressive and proactive in his missions, as will any bio on him will state.

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    Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    We already know why they are driven to gangs. So what do we have..more gangs and apparently your method or the one you advocate doesn't work because the body count directly or indirectly keeps going up.
    Please explain what my "method" is or the one I have advocated?

    Actually according to the FBI crime statistices, violent crime is on the decline. It has been on a pretty steady decline since the 60's.

    "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Violent crime in the United States, including murder and robbery, dropped 4.4 percent in the first half of 2009 and property crime like car thefts also dropped, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said on Monday. - U.S. crime drops in first half of 2009, FBI says | Reuters

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    We have been trying to set them on the right path and the result are perhaps a few doing so and the majority creating mayhem unabated in the neighborhoods.
    Not according to the latest statistics...

    Youth Violence Project - National Statistics

    New York City Violent Crime Down 8%, Outpacing U.S., FBI Says - Bloomberg.com

    Youth Crime In America DECLINING: Video Games To Blame?

    Got another excuse?
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    Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Who saying Eliot Ness was a machine gun toting gunfighter law enforcer, I didn't elude to that, Elliot Ness was a aggressive and proactive in his missions, as will any bio on him will state.
    ....What was aggressive about his approach? Elliot Ness and dozens of people targeted a single individual and ended up catching him charges which had absolutely nothing to do with what they were originally trying to do(you know, stop the sale of alcohol?). It would be the equivalent of putting 10 cops on every gang member and then instead of catching them selling drugs, they catch them on jaywalking charges. No. I think your example is flawed.
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    Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And in the end what did he do to get Capone? He used the LAW.
    LOL, yeah whatever. He got him for tax evasion, chief.

    You're awfully cock-sure for not really knowing what in the hell you're talking about.

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    Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    LOL, yeah whatever. He got him for tax evasion, chief.
    Ummm... Tax evasion is breaking the LAW. That is what he got him for LEGALLY. He did not hose down an entire neighborhood, or use overwhelming force.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You're awfully cock-sure for not really knowing what in the hell you're talking about.
    You really need to understand what you read before making yourself look well, uninformed.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ....What was aggressive about his approach? Elliot Ness and dozens of people targeted a single individual and ended up catching him charges which had absolutely nothing to do with what they were originally trying to do(you know, stop the sale of alcohol?). It would be the equivalent of putting 10 cops on every gang member and then instead of catching them selling drugs, they catch them on jaywalking charges. No. I think your example is flawed.
    Your only referring to Capone and his gangs non the less Ness was aggressive by tearing up his drug dens, breweries etc.but, Ness's job also consisted fighting gangs in Cleveland Ohio, corruption, prohibition and corruption amongst law enforcement and so on. Read his Bio

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    Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Your only referring to Capone and his gangs non the less Ness was aggressive by tearing up his drug dens, breweries etc.but, Ness's job also consisted fighting gangs in Cleveland Ohio, corruption, prohibition and corruption amongst law enforcement and so on. Read his Bio
    nonetheless is one word my man.

    My grammar and spelling is not any better. Just thought you would like to know since you use it allot.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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