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Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

If thats how you want to view it. Certainly some civilians died because of the war. Estimates range Saddam killed between 1-2.5 million. Of course his sons and the guard were responsible for the rape and torture of God only knows how many...and I have no idea how many innocent civilians are slaughtered by muslim terrorists.

If it fits more in line with your anti Bush, anti USA, anti military slant lets just say George Bush killed all of them.

Iraq was a mistake.
 
Does anyone know the number of innocent civilians killed in Iraq since the war started?

People die in war I don't know how many were innocent, since they are dead you can't aks them.........
 
More and more do everyday. Now even Bill Reilly said it was wrong.

And?

A lot of people believe it was wrong for Clinton to declare war on Serbia. For Kennedy and Johnson to drag us into VietNam. For Truman to tyake us to Korea...heck for Roosevelt to take us into WW2.

Surely you have a POINT. I cant wait...all this buildup...I hope it doesnt suck.
 
And?

A lot of people believe it was wrong for Clinton to declare war on Serbia. For Kennedy and Johnson to drag us into VietNam. For Truman to tyake us to Korea...heck for Roosevelt to take us into WW2.

Surely you have a POINT. I cant wait...all this buildup...I hope it doesnt suck.

Vietnam was a mistake too.

Bush invaded Iraq because it had WMDs and was a threat to our national security. He told us it would cost 50 billion and be over in a few weeks.
He was wrong about everything. The invasion of Iraq was a mistake.
 
Vietnam was a mistake too.

Bush invaded Iraq because it had WMDs and was a threat to our national security. He told us it would cost 50 billion and be over in a few weeks.
He was wrong about everything. The invasion of Iraq was a mistake.

"Oh. That's very different. Never Mind"

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Vietnam was a mistake too.

Bush invaded Iraq because it had WMDs and was a threat to our national security. He told us it would cost 50 billion and be over in a few weeks.
He was wrong about everything. The invasion of Iraq was a mistake.

Actually, Bush gave 17 total but 3 primary reasons for attacking Iraq

1-Genocide
2-Iraqs REFUSAL TO GIVE A COMPLETE ACCOUNTING of their WMDs as required by the UN and in defiance of 17 standing resolutions.
3-Iraqs ties to global terrorism

Those three reasons which are irrefutable where the same reasons that the democrats voted to support the war. They are the EXACT SAME words given by Bill Clinton and every democrat throiughout the 90s and right up til about 2004.

Facts are a pesky thing...especially when they dont fit your political bent.
 
Vietnam was a mistake too.

Bush invaded Iraq because it had WMDs and was a threat to our national security. He told us it would cost 50 billion and be over in a few weeks.
He was wrong about everything. The invasion of Iraq was a mistake.

Was Serbia a mistake? Was it wrong for Clinton to attack iraq 8 different times for no fly zone violations or targeting his apparently non-existent WMDs? Is it wrong for Obama to buildup in Afghanistan?
 
Vietnam was a mistake too.

Bush invaded Iraq because it had WMDs and was a threat to our national security. He told us it would cost 50 billion and be over in a few weeks.
He was wrong about everything. The invasion of Iraq was a mistake.

Every democrat and every world intel agency believed Iraq was setting on WMDs. We know what we know because Bush attacked. Hussein defied 17 UN resolutions. I can cite you page after page of quotes and speeches by Bill and Hilly...Tom Daschle...John Kerry...hell...every single one of the liberal elect excpet perhaps Dennis Kucinich. I DEFY you to tell me which quotes are from democrats and which are from republicans.

BTW...the war WAS over in a few weeks.

Where Bush did a LOUSY job was in promoting the post war activities in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
Vietnam was a mistake too.

Bush invaded Iraq because it had WMDs and was a threat to our national security. He told us it would cost 50 billion and be over in a few weeks.
He was wrong about everything. The invasion of Iraq was a mistake.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQBVZEmDtWU"]YouTube- President Clinton attacks Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction[/ame]
 
Was Serbia a mistake? Was it wrong for Clinton to attack iraq 8 different times for no fly zone violations or targeting his apparently non-existent WMDs? Is it wrong for Obama to buildup in Afghanistan?

I agree with all those actions. It's the invasion of another country that has not attacked us or is not a threat that I have a problem with.
 
If that war was over in a few weeks then I definitely want a whole lot of my tax money back.

Dont we all. It isnt the war that lingers...it is the lousy post war job.

If they were smart they WOULD have given the Iraqi people a timetable...say...2 years...and if they wanted the place to erupt into a fireball...thats on them. They should have given them a timeframe to have their police and military in place...same in Afghanistan.

You will never hear me blanket defend Bush or anyone...I have seen what Husseins troops did in the first gulf war. Ive seen what they have done to their own people. I think it was the right thing to do. But no way should we still be there.
 
Clinton did not invade Iraq.

He DID invade Serbia. He DID justify his attacks based on WMDs. And YOU just made my point. Its not about right or wrong with people like you...its this idiotic political ideology that you think you have a firm grasp on.
 
I agree with all those actions. It's the invasion of another country that has not attacked us or is not a threat that I have a problem with.

I knew you would.

What was his rational for declaring war on a sovereign nation?

Dont bother...I'll save you the quick trip to Wikipedia. Genocide.

You endorse war in the name of genocide because Clinton was the one doing it. But it was wrong to go to war against Iraq in the name of genocide. Shocking. well...not really.

At least people like Susan Sarandon are consistently anti-war. I can respect that. You sell out your allegiance based on your personal political ideology.
 
He DID invade Serbia. He DID justify his attacks based on WMDs. And YOU just made my point. Its not about right or wrong with people like you...its this idiotic political ideology that you think you have a firm grasp on.

Do you know what the word "invasion" means?
Military attacks are not an invasion.
Airstrikes are not an invasion
 
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Clinton did not invade Iraq.
Your genius is astounding. No, he fired missiles instead, and accomplished nothing. But his words in his speech is what matter, but you will ignore them to suit your bias.
 
Your genius is astounding. No, he fired missiles instead, and accomplished nothing. But his words in his speech is what matter, but you will ignore them to suit your bias.

You don't seem to know the definition of invasion either.
How many US soldiers were killed during the invasion of Serbia?
 
Do you know what the word "invasion" means?

Yep...it means whatever is conveeeeenient for your argument.

We went to WAR. In order to go to war you actually have to attack and often...'invade'.

Yes...we 'invaded' Iraq to accomplish regime change...the same goal Clinton stated except he was completely ineffective for 8 years. We ousted a brutal dictator that had no problem using his mythical WMDs against iranian troops and citizens in his own country (Halabja for example). We ousted him and en sured his sons would not continue the genocide thatw as occuring.

I REALLY dont mind if you think it was wrong to go to war. But you are a 'conditional' right and wrong kind of person...your version of right depends on if there is an elephant or an ass sitting in the white house.
 
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