Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

[Charles Martel]

Speaking ill of the dead is not advisable. The Reaper hears you loud and clear.

So true and wise words for all.

It's the devil you need to slap in the face on a daily basis.:2razz:

 

[CrusaderRabbit08]

On a personal note, may God allow Murtha to rest in peace. John will have much explaining to do, however.

Not anywhere near as much as Bush will for starting the war.

 

[apdst]

Speaking ill of the dead is not advisable. The Reaper hears you loud and clear.

Ain't it funny when Liberals get all superstious and stuff? That's almot as funny a them dragging God into an argument.

 

[Winnb]

Ain't it funny when Liberals get all superstious and stuff? That's almot as funny a them dragging God into an argument.

Wow. Do you think all liberals don't believe in God?

 

[apdst]

Wow. Do you think all liberals don't believe in God?

Didn't say that, but I'll never forget how ya'll get all torqued up over the, "Religious Right" and how you all cringed everytime Bush mentioned his faith, as if it were something bad.:rofl

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

No, I didn't. So either you're misrepresenting my position or you can't read. Please go back to that thread and point out where I supported politicians being exempt from DUI laws. Show me that.

I'm no fan of politicians, but this law isn't terrible. It just keeps politicians from being arrested on their way to work if they do something while driving to work. The Officer can still give the pol a citation and he has to arrange for other transportation for the pol. And they are not exempt from felony violations.

Now granted if this were you or I driving the car they'd slap the cuffs on our drunk ass and throw us in a cell.

I believe our legislators in DC have this same law which "protects" them on their way to work. It doesn't mean they're innocent, they can still be charged and convicted, they just can't be detained on their way to the office.

:shrug: that was easy.....

Here's one of the many great things about the Libertarian party - no one in it cares what your requirements are to be one. I'm sure there are lots of Libertarians that don't live up to your standards. And guess what? None of them care.

Yes we do, you need to be for liberty and equality.... from the quote of yours above, you are not. :shrug:

 

[Winnb]

:shrug: that was easy.....







Yes we do, you need to be for liberty and equality.... from the quote of yours above, you are not. :shrug:

Either you can't comprehend what I wrote or you're being willfully ignorant.

Please show me how my quote claims I support politicians being exempt from DUI laws.

I specifically stated:
"It doesn't mean they're innocent, they can still be charged and convicted, they just can't be detained on their way to the office."

 

[texmaster]

I agree 100%. Did my post indicate otherwise?

Not at all. Just my 2 cents

 

[bicycleman]

And some of us don't care who gets it.

I don't care who gets it either, as long as it's a Republican.:lol:

 

[texmaster]

I do not beleive that the inteligent thinkers among us really would believe the fairy tale that all it took was an "accusation" by some old Conressman to open an investigation. Let's be real here people if the Military or the Justice Department went around investigating every time som Cogressman/woman made a real or percieved "accusation" or called for a n investigation all of the Democrats in Congress would be under investigation. Remember that whackjob of a Congresswomasn from up in Wisconcin or Minnesota said that all Democrats should be investigated for lack of patriotism or some stupid accusation the whackjob made !!!

Strucky took the time to list out all the quotes you demanded.

The very least you could do is admit you didn't have a clue about what you were talking about.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Either you can't comprehend what I wrote or you're being willfully ignorant.

Please show me how my quote claims I support politicians being exempt from DUI laws.

I specifically stated:
"It doesn't mean they're innocent, they can still be charged and convicted, they just can't be detained on their way to the office."

point is, your a "one law for them" type of guy. hardley a libertarian. :shrug:

 

[Charles Martel]

Not anywhere near as much as Bush will for starting the war.

When Bush passes...if you and I are still here, that would be an appropriate time to make your assessment. We're speaking to John Murtha right now, your inability to remain focused...is in my opinion, purposeful.

Johnny, will have some explaining to do. A mammoth porkulus giant, an anti-war ex-marine who ruined his once fine reputation. And a man who forgot his countrymen are innocent until proven guilty, that his attempt to be the Dem bulldog during the war's peak shamed his great name and turned him into a modern day traitor.

Nice deflection hare, it won't save Murtha's soul, that decision isn't ours.

 

[CrusaderRabbit08]

When Bush passes...if you and I are still here, that would be an appropriate time to make your assessment. We're speaking to John Murtha right now, your inability to remain focused...is in my opinion, purposeful.

Johnny, will have some explaining to do. A mammoth porkulus giant, an anti-war ex-marine who ruined his once fine reputation. And a man who forgot his countrymen are innocent until proven guilty, that his attempt to be the Dem bulldog during the war's peak shamed his great name and turned him into a modern day traitor.

Nice deflection hare, it won't save Murtha's soul, that decision isn't ours.

It wasn't a deflection. Murtha means nothing to me and I don't care that he's dead.

 

[Charles Martel]

It wasn't a deflection. Murtha means nothing to me and I don't care that he's dead.

Funny you'd take the opportunity to take something you care "nothing" about and turn into an anti-Bush statement. Yer more transparent than Capser the Friendly Ghost, CR.

And you may not care, but, Murtha ruined his legacy in his last years, I find that painful and send my regards to his family. And remind other Dems, your traitorous methods of war oppositoon will be similarly judged.

 

[CrusaderRabbit08]

And you may not care, but, Murtha ruined his legacy in his last years, I find that painful and send my regards to his family. And remind other Dems, your traitorous methods of war oppositoon will be similarly judged.

His to ruin.

What are traitorous methods of war opposition?

 

[bicycleman]

His to ruin.

What are traitorous methods of war opposition?

If a politician comes out against the war and then later the people do the same, the enemy becomes emboldened. They know that all they have to do is wait out America before the next leader loses the stomach for the war. Remember Viet Nam and how America finally lost the stomach to fight it? If we had politicians like Murtha and all the other anti-war people, we would have lost WWII, and none of us would have the freedom we have to discuss politics on this forum.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

His to ruin.

What are traitorous methods of war opposition?

lying about troops and crimes.....:shrug:

 

[Captain America]

How about the other 10 women Clinton raped an and assaulted.....

Just curious old friend, but if Murtha is an asshole for accusing troops of crimes, that they were never convicted of, what does that make someone, who accuses Horn Dog Clinton of crimes, that he was never convicted of?

A Murtha or a hypocrite? Or both?

You see where I'm coming from?

It's no biggee.

Just curious. :roll:

Here are ten of the worst lies told regarding the Iraqi war. Guess who told 'em?

1. "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."

FACT: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by Judith Miller in the New York Times, has turned out to be complete baloney. Department of Energy officials, who monitor nuclear plants, say the tubes could not be used for enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst, who was part of the tubes investigation, angrily told The New Republic: "You had senior American officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this aluminum really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's just a lie."

2. "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
FACT: This whopper was based on a document that the White House already knew to be a forgery thanks to the CIA. Sold to Italian intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the signature of an official who had been out of office for 10 years and referenced a constitution that was no longer in effect. The ex-ambassador who the CIA sent to check out the story is pissed: "They knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie," he told the New Republic, anonymously. "They [the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this to make their case more strongly."

3. "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
FACT: There was and is absolutely zero basis for this statement. CIA reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program.

<snip>

You can read the rest of the lies right here if one is so inclined. --> Ten Appalling Lies We Were Told About Iraq | | AlterNet

Point being, while everyone is feigning their disdain to this "lying traitor" John Murtha, where is their disdain for the monumental lies told that cost countless lives, many of them our own children.

If this is how you guys support and honor our veterans who have served honorably, all the while honoring the liars that brought us to war in the first place, I want no part of your cult.

Just sayin'. :roll:

 

[CrusaderRabbit08]

If a politician comes out against the war and then later the people do the same, the enemy becomes emboldened. They know that all they have to do is wait out America before the next leader loses the stomach for the war. Remember Viet Nam and how America finally lost the stomach to fight it? If we had politicians like Murtha and all the other anti-war people, we would have lost WWII, and none of us would have the freedom we have to discuss politics on this forum.

Ohhhhh ..I see nothing wrong with that. I guess that makes me a traitorous bunny ..LOL :mrgreen:

 

[bicycleman]

Ohhhhh ..I see nothing wrong with that. I guess that makes me a traitorous bunny ..LOL :mrgreen:

The terrorists already know that some American people don't support the war on terrorism. It doesn't matter to them, since they started the war on all American people, even the anti-war protestors.

 

[justabubba]

Times like these always bring to mind legacies and what is Murtha's? Once a solid voice for the military, he'll be remembered for his disingenuous war opposition and calling marines murderers when they were later acquitted. He acted shamefully but then, diggin into his past we see wheelbarrels of pork streaming into his district, he'll be remembered as a corrupt, untruthful politician and it's a telling reality for the Democrat Party.

The disingenuous fake and selective opposition to the Iraq war bordered on treasonous for some, shameful for others. Many observers making remarks will have to live with those remarks and when soldiers return home or are acquitted, many are going to pay a reputation price. Harry Reid, John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, they'll all have serious and in some cases fatal character flaws that won't nor can't be ignored.

On a personal note, may God allow Murtha to rest in peace. John will have much explaining to do, however.

i didn't respect murtha because of the way he conducted business - exactly the way we think of politicians acting - self serving and in the dark. however, the one aspect of the guy that deserves kudos is his support of our troops. and the courage to take a stand against the war, to save American lives and to mitigate the growth of terrorism, almost cost him his congressional seat. that stand against the war was fact based - no one had a better feedback mechanism from the military than his office
murtha wrote president bush in 2003 with this warning:
“we have severely miscalculated the magnitude of the effort we are facing”. murtha conveyed that he agreed with an assessment by john hamre (CEO, CSIS) that we have a “narrow window of opportunity available to deliver progress in terms of economic infrastructure, security and basic service improvements.”
it took the military seven months to get back to him
and in 2005 he came out against the continuation of the war
just as i opposed his mentor, tip o'neill, and his brand of backroom, deal cutting, often corrupt politics, i opposed murtha. but murtha's opposition to the war was an act of courage, not the traitorous acts you have pretended them to be. for such treasonous actions you should instead look to dick cheney, who outed a covert CIA agent purely for partisan political gain. i am guessing you expressed no opposition to such treasonous steps taken by that traitor and his convicted minion

 

[CrusaderRabbit08]

The terrorists already know that some American people don't support the war on terrorism. It doesn't matter to them, since they started the war on all American people, even the anti-war protestors.

The war is being fought wrong. That's why I oppose it.

 

[bicycleman]

i didn't respect murtha because of the way he conducted business - exactly the way we think of politicians acting - self serving and in the dark. however, the one aspect of the guy that deserves kudos is his support of our troops. and the courage to take a stand against the war, to save American lives and to mitigate the growth of terrorism, almost cost him his congressional seat. that stand against the war was fact based - no one had a better feedback mechanism from the military than his office
murtha wrote president bush in 2003 with this warning:
“we have severely miscalculated the magnitude of the effort we are facing”. murtha conveyed that he agreed with an assessment by john hamre (CEO, CSIS) that we have a “narrow window of opportunity available to deliver progress in terms of economic infrastructure, security and basic service improvements.”
it took the military seven months to get back to him
and in 2005 he came out against the continuation of the war
just as i opposed his mentor, tip o'neill, and his brand of backroom, deal cutting, often corrupt politics, i opposed murtha. but murtha's opposition to the war was an act of courage, not the traitorous acts you have pretended them to be. for such treasonous actions you should instead look to dick cheney, who outed a covert CIA agent purely for partisan political gain. i am guessing you expressed no opposition to such treasonous steps taken by that traitor and his convicted minion

But Murtha calling Marines, murderers and refusing to apologize when it wa discovered that what he said was unfounded, invalidated all the good things he did. Frankly, I don't know of any good things he did.

 

[Captain America]

But Murtha calling Marines, murderers and refusing to apologize when it wa discovered that what he said was unfounded, invalidated all the good things he did. Frankly, I don't know of any good things he did.

Does it bother you that Cheney and Bush never apologized when it was revealed that their race to war with Iraq was unfounded, invalidated, manipulated and cherry picked (and as a result, many of these troops you say Murtha slandered are, in fact, dead.)

Is this selective criticism drawn down party lines? You betcha. :2wave:

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Just curious old friend, but if Murtha is an asshole for accusing troops of crimes, that they were never convicted of, what does that make someone, who accuses Horn Dog Clinton of crimes, that he was never convicted of?

A Murtha or a hypocrite? Or both?

You see where I'm coming from?

It's no biggee.

Just curious. :roll:

Here are ten of the worst lies told regarding the Iraqi war. Guess who told 'em?

1. "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."

FACT: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by Judith Miller in the New York Times, has turned out to be complete baloney. Department of Energy officials, who monitor nuclear plants, say the tubes could not be used for enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst, who was part of the tubes investigation, angrily told The New Republic: "You had senior American officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this aluminum really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's just a lie."

2. "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
FACT: This whopper was based on a document that the White House already knew to be a forgery thanks to the CIA. Sold to Italian intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the signature of an official who had been out of office for 10 years and referenced a constitution that was no longer in effect. The ex-ambassador who the CIA sent to check out the story is pissed: "They knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie," he told the New Republic, anonymously. "They [the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this to make their case more strongly."

3. "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
FACT: There was and is absolutely zero basis for this statement. CIA reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program.

<snip>

You can read the rest of the lies right here if one is so inclined. --> Ten Appalling Lies We Were Told About Iraq | | AlterNet

Point being, while everyone is feigning their disdain to this "lying traitor" John Murtha, where is their disdain for the monumental lies told that cost countless lives, many of them our own children.

If this is how you guys support and honor our veterans who have served honorably, all the while honoring the liars that brought us to war in the first place, I want no part of your cult.

Just sayin'. :roll:

if only they pulled those comments and beliefs out of thier ass...


If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People -- Version 3.0 - Right Wing News (Conservative News and Views)



anyway, anti-war is fine, I'd die protecting your right to protest....


But to falsey slander marines as murderers (a capital crime) Murtha in the minds of many service members, and veterans was a straight up traitor who should have been hanged.


Eff his rotting corpse with soro's rotting cod piece. :thumbs: