Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

[Strucky]

Are we talking about the same Murtha ? I did not see where/when he did any of those things above. He was against the Iraq war as a good number of reasonable Vets were.

I would like to see some real proof where Murtha did any of those things the OOP has accused him of.

Marine faces final hurdle in Haditha case

Cleared of wrongdoing at every step, officer must fight accusations again

By Drew Zahn
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Four years after the so-called "Haditha Massacre," cited by U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., to publicly accuse U.S. Marines of being cold-blooded killers, Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani faces a board of inquiry tomorrow, hoping to clear his name yet again of alleged wrongdoing.

As WND reported, Chessani was the highest-ranking officer charged in the Haditha incident, when insurgents attacked U.S. Marines in Iraq while using civilians as shields. A series of investigations found nothing wrong until Murtha publicly accused the Marines of murdering Iraqis.

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[Hatuey]

I'm not going to defend Murtha's comments about the Haditha massacre, but I will say one thing:

For people to claim that he put people in danger is quite ****ing silly. Do you people think that insurgents in Iraq are paying attention to the New York Times, NBC or FOX? Do you think they spend their days reading our newspapers scanning for something to be outraged at? It's just silly to claim that the comments of any politician other than somebody highly visible(like the POTUS) would actually reach the ears of insurgents on their side.

Please keep the hyperbole to a reasonable level. Thanks!

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Marine faces final hurdle in Haditha case

Cleared of wrongdoing at every step, officer must fight accusations again

By Drew Zahn
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Four years after the so-called "Haditha Massacre," cited by U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., to publicly accuse U.S. Marines of being cold-blooded killers, Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani faces a board of inquiry tomorrow, hoping to clear his name yet again of alleged wrongdoing.

As WND reported, Chessani was the highest-ranking officer charged in the Haditha incident, when insurgents attacked U.S. Marines in Iraq while using civilians as shields. A series of investigations found nothing wrong until Murtha publicly accused the Marines of murdering Iraqis.

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Well, at least now that Murtha is up there standing before Saint Peter and arguing his case for why he should get into heaven, he can say "well you know, you do have a point. I was really corrupt. I basically raped the American taxpayer so I could funnel billions into my district and I sold my soul for keep my office, but on the plus side, the nutjobs over at World Nut Daily did not like me so that should earn me a waver."

 

[F107HyperSabr]

Marine faces final hurdle in Haditha case

Cleared of wrongdoing at every step, officer must fight accusations again

By Drew Zahn
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Four years after the so-called "Haditha Massacre," cited by U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., to publicly accuse U.S. Marines of being cold-blooded killers, Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani faces a board of inquiry tomorrow, hoping to clear his name yet again of alleged wrongdoing.

As WND reported, Chessani was the highest-ranking officer charged in the Haditha incident, when insurgents attacked U.S. Marines in Iraq while using civilians as shields. A series of investigations found nothing wrong until Murtha publicly accused the Marines of murdering Iraqis.

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Your "proof" was nothing more than an opinion piece from an opinion media by an opinionator.... That is not proof. That is like asking Rush The Drug Addict if he wants the country to succeed in getting the economic hole while Obama is POTUS.

 

[Goshin]

I won't crow about Murtha's death... but I won't pretend I liked or respected him, because I didn't. I think his behavior in the past decade has been contemptible. His absence from the public forum will improve my blood pressure at least.

 

[apdst]

I'm not going to defend Murtha's comments about the Haditha massacre, but I will say one thing:

For people to claim that he put people in danger is quite ****ing silly. Do you people think that insurgents in Iraq are paying attention to the New York Times, NBC or FOX? Do you think they spend their days reading our newspapers scanning for something to be outraged at? It's just silly to claim that the comments of any politician other than somebody highly visible(like the POTUS) would actually reach the ears of insurgents on their side.

Please keep the hyperbole to a reasonable level. Thanks!

By that logic, the folks in Iraq aren't paying any attention to Abu Grhraib nor Gitmo. Yes? reckon they're not the proganda generators that the Liberals have led us to believe they are. :2wave:

 

[Zinc Route]

On this we agree Navy. People should be freely allowed to express their opinions. I don't adhere to the philosophy that people should refrain from speaking ill of the dead.

We are in substance..although not necessarily in application.
The day Ronald Reagan died I threw a "Ding dong the witch is dead" party and we all celebrated the fact that he no longer was breathing amongst us.

That's one of the great things about this country. We have the freedom to speak out...even about the dead.

***** How jovial were you in 12/98 when the House Voted in 2 of 4 Articles of Impeachment against Bill Clinton??? Did you dance at all ?

 

[F107HyperSabr]

Well, at least now that Murtha is up there standing before Saint Peter and arguing his case for why he should get into heaven, he can say "well you know, you do have a point. I was really corrupt. I basically raped the American taxpayer so I could funnel billions into my district and I sold my soul for keep my office, but on the plus side, the nutjobs over at World Nut Daily did not like me so that should earn me a waver."

He was as corrupt as most every Congressman who has streered money i nto his district. Even the self appointed guardian of the American good Gingrich tried to and succeeded to steer Gov contracts to his district in Georgia.

 

[Captain America]

As long as Murtha was stokin' the war machine, the mongers had no trouble with him. As soon as he stood at a podium and expressed what most of the people were feeling about the Iraqi quagmire, he was a <fill in dirty name here.>

But, love him or hate him, he's dead. As much service as he has contributed to our great nation, I suppose I can get past some questionable moves on his part and suspicious acts of senility, perhaps. Anyways, someone told me once that when your dead, all your debts are paid.

I will step aside the vulture like slandering and just wish the old soldier a peaceful rest in eternity. Your work here is done.

I would do the same for Ollie North.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Your "proof" was nothing more than an opinion piece from an opinion media by an opinionator.... That is not proof. That is like asking Rush The Drug Addict if he wants the country to succeed in getting the economic hole while Obama is POTUS.

Oh come on now. Look at this fancy website the article's author has.

Storycraft Communications

That has to count for something in terms of credibility. After all, he provides:

Freelance editing
Freelance writing and copy writing
Guest speaking and guest preaching
Free self-editing tips

And how profound his motto is: Drew Zahn - Because a story is worth a thousand words.

 

[Hatuey]

Your "proof" was nothing more than an opinion piece from an opinion media by an opinionator.... That is not proof. That is like asking Rush The Drug Addict if he wants the country to succeed in getting the economic hole while Obama is POTUS.

Lawmaker: Marines deliberately killed Iraqis - Conflict in Iraq- msnbc.com

A Pentagon probe into the death of Iraqi civilians last November in the Iraqi city of Haditha will show that U.S. Marines "killed innocent civilians in cold blood," a U.S. lawmaker said Wednesday.

From the beginning, Iraqis in the town of Haditha said U.S. Marines deliberately killed 15 unarmed Iraqi civilians, including seven women and three children.

On Wednesday, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said the accounts are true.

Military officials told NBC News that the Marine Corps' own evidence appears to show Murtha is right.

While I think the Marine Corps dropped the charges to avoid an Iraqi May Lai, the fact of the matter remains that Murtha was premature in his comments. It shot him back in the face when they were acquitted and the charges all got dropped.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

As long as Murtha was stokin' the war machine, the mongers had no trouble with him. As soon as he stood at a podium and expressed what most of the people were feeling about the Iraqi quagmire, he was a <fill in dirty name here.>

But, love him or hate him, he's dead. As much service as he has contributed to our great nation, I suppose I can get past some questionable moves on his part and suspicious acts of senility, perhaps. Anyways, someone told me once that when your dead, all your debts are paid.

I will step aside the vulture like slandering and just wish the old soldier a peaceful rest in eternity. Your work here is done.



I would do the same for Ollie North.

Slander is what that doosh did to US Marines. :shrug:

 

[apdst]

As long as Murtha was stokin' the war machine, the mongers had no trouble with him. As soon as he stood at a podium and expressed what most of the people were feeling about the Iraqi quagmire, he was a <fill in dirty name here.>

But, love him or hate him, he's dead. As much service as he has contributed to our great nation, I suppose I can get past some questionable moves on his part and suspicious acts of senility, perhaps. Anyways, someone told me once that when your dead, all your debts are paid.

I will step aside the vulture like slandering and just wish the old soldier a peaceful rest in eternity. Your work here is done.

I would do the same for Ollie North.

You mean that most Americans automatically assumed that, without a trial, without seeing any of the evidence that those Marines who were falsely charged with murder were automatically guilty?

And you want to try and portray yourself as one of those holier-than-thou-centrist mother****ers? Really? Totally incredible!

Please, tell me I'm not the only one here old enough to remember the savings and loan scandal.

 

[disneydude]

***** How jovial were you in 12/98 when the House Voted in 2 of 4 Articles of Impeachment against Bill Clinton??? Did you dance at all ?

No....actually I thought the whole thing was kinda silly.

 

[apdst]

No....actually I thought the whole thing was kinda silly.

Yeah, because we all know that Liberals don't give a **** when one of your own commits a crime.

 

[Strucky]

Your "proof" was nothing more than an opinion piece from an opinion media by an opinionator.... That is not proof. That is like asking Rush The Drug Addict if he wants the country to succeed in getting the economic hole while Obama is POTUS.

ok.


Murtha's Haditha remarks-


"It [Haditha, Marines] is as bad as Abu Ghraib, if not worse."
(Murtha, May 2006)

"They [the Marines/Military] knew the day after this happened that it was not as they portrayed it. They knew that they (marines) went into the rooms, they killed the people in the taxi. There was no firing at all. And this comes from the highest authority in the Marine Corps, so there's no question in my mind,"
(Murtha, May 2006)

"... they [Marine] killed innocent civilians in cold blood."
(Murtha, May 17, 2006 at news conference)

"There was no firefight. There was no IED that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood"
(Murtha, May 19, 2006)

"They actually went into the houses and killed women and children. And there was about twice as many as originally reported by Times."
(Murtha, Reuters, May 19, 2006)

"Our troops over-reacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood."
(Murtha, ARAB WORLD NEWS, May 19, 2006)

"It's [Haditha, Marines] much worse than reported in Time magazine."
(Murtha, News.comAU, May 18, 2006)

BLITZER: The marines say they're still investigating. They don't know what happened yet. The pentagon says the same thing. How do you know what happened?

MURTHA: Wolf, you read the "Time" magazine articles. There are pictures, there are photos. You don't have to talk to the military about the proof.
(Murtha, on CNN/Wolf Blitzer, May 19, 2006

Boot Murtha: Murtha-Speak... in his own words


Marine Cleared In Haditha Massacre

Marine Plans To File Slander Suit Against Murtha

Marine cleared over Iraq killings

Marine cleared in Haditha case

Third Marine Is Cleared of Charges, Given Immunity

Murtha sued over remarks

Highest-ranking officer cleared in Haditha deaths

 

[Hatuey]

By that logic, the folks in Iraq aren't paying any attention to Abu Grhraib nor Gitmo.

No. By that logic you'd be wrong with the examples you presented because you have proven over and over again that you can not use logic properly. They are three different issues entirely.

Abu Ghraib happened in Iraq. It involved 24/7 news play on all major networks around the world. Networks the general populace have in Iraq. Such as Al-Jazeera. It would be impossible to have missed that particular issue considering it was being hammered by any news network who wanted a ratings boost.

Secondly, Guantanamo Bay is an international issue which is known around the entire world. The fact that it is on Cuban soil, and the fact that it is where we decided to put all the undesirables we captured in Iraq and Afghanistan made it news again.

Do you understand the difference between the comment of a single person like Murtha vs. Abu Ghraib & Guantanamo yet? Haditha didn't put people in danger because a U.S. representative most Arabs have never heard of said it was murder. Haditha put people in danger because it involved the death of kids, women and unarmed men at the hands of U.S. marines. Seriously. That somebody would be stupid enough to say comments actually put people in danger is quite a gap in "logic".

Yes? reckon they're not the proganda generators that the Liberals have led us to believe they are. :2wave:

Before you try using logic, please use logic?

 

[Captain America]

You mean that most Americans automatically assumed that, without a trial, without seeing any of the evidence that those Marines who were falsely charged with murder were automatically guilty?

And you want to try and portray yourself as one of those holier-than-thou-centrist mother****ers? Really? Totally incredible!

Please, tell me I'm not the only one here old enough to remember the savings and loan scandal.

Booo hoo hooo.. :mrgreen:

 

[F107HyperSabr]

Marine faces final hurdle in Haditha case

Cleared of wrongdoing at every step, officer must fight accusations again

By Drew Zahn
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Four years after the so-called "Haditha Massacre," cited by U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., to publicly accuse U.S. Marines of being cold-blooded killers, Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani faces a board of inquiry tomorrow, hoping to clear his name yet again of alleged wrongdoing.

As WND reported, Chessani was the highest-ranking officer charged in the Haditha incident, when insurgents attacked U.S. Marines in Iraq while using civilians as shields. A series of investigations found nothing wrong until Murtha publicly accused the Marines of murdering Iraqis.

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I do not beleive that the inteligent thinkers among us really would believe the fairy tale that all it took was an "accusation" by some old Conressman to open an investigation. Let's be real here people if the Military or the Justice Department went around investigating every time som Cogressman/woman made a real or percieved "accusation" or called for a n investigation all of the Democrats in Congress would be under investigation. Remember that whackjob of a Congresswomasn from up in Wisconcin or Minnesota said that all Democrats should be investigated for lack of patriotism or some stupid accusation the whackjob made !!!

 

[apdst]

No. By that logic you'd be wrong with the examples you presented because you have proven over and over again that you can not use logic properly. They are three different issues entirely.

Abu Ghraib happened in Iraq. It involved 24/7 news play on all major networks around the world. Networks the general populace have in Iraq. Such as Al-Jazeera. It would be impossible to have missed that particular issue considering it was being hammered by any news network who wanted a ratings boost.

Secondly, Guantanamo Bay is an international issue which is known around the entire world. The fact that it is on Cuban soil, and the fact that it is where we decided to put all the undesirables we captured in Iraq and Afghanistan made it news again.

Do you understand the difference between the comment of a single person like Murtha vs. Abu Ghraib & Guantanamo yet? Haditha didn't put people in danger because a U.S. representative most Arabs have never heard of said it was murder. Haditha put people in danger because it involved the death of kids, women and unarmed men.



Before you try using logic, please use logic?

Ohhhh, they're three different issues! Two are advantageous to your argument and one isn't. Is that the difference?:rofl

 

[disneydude]

Yeah, because we all know that Liberals don't give a **** when one of your own commits a crime.

Well that's not true. I just found all the hoopla about lying about a blowjob (somehing pretty much most men would do)....nothing more than a partisan political game ploy.

no....when politicians commit serious crimes they should pay....regardless of the party label.

 

[apdst]

Booo hoo hooo.. :mrgreen:

Oh, we all know where you're comin' from, sport.

Now, go to the basement with your suck buddies and start a thread.

 

[Hatuey]

Ohhhh, they're three different issues! Two are advantageous to your argument and one isn't. Is that the difference?:rofl

Hahaha. Noooooooooooo. You're just a completely illogical troll! :mrgreen:

 

[apdst]

Well that's not true. I just found all the hoopla about lying about a blowjob (somehing pretty much most men would do)....nothing more than a partisan political game ploy.

no....when politicians commit serious crimes they should pay....regardless of the party label.

Nevermind the fact that Slick Willy lied, under oath to a grand jury. Is that it?

Perjury is onloy a cime when it's something that the Libbos give a rat's ass about. :2wave:

 

[apdst]

Hahaha. Noooooooooooo. You're just a completely illogical troll! :mrgreen:

Ahh, now I'm a troll. Nice argument you go there.

Figgered out how to make gumbo yet?