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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm not going to defend Murtha's comments about the Haditha massacre, but I will say one thing:

    For people to claim that he put people in danger is quite ****ing silly. Do you people think that insurgents in Iraq are paying attention to the New York Times, NBC or FOX? Do you think they spend their days reading our newspapers scanning for something to be outraged at? It's just silly to claim that the comments of any politician other than somebody highly visible(like the POTUS) would actually reach the ears of insurgents on their side.

    Please keep the hyperbole to a reasonable level. Thanks!
    What kind of effect do you think these political witch-hunts have on the psyche of combat troops? If I defend myself from an attack, I might be called a murderer by a sitting Senator and thrown in jail. Hesitation will get you killed!

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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Look, we may think the guy is dispicable, but so is this post.
    Why!? You readily admit that Murtha was despicable, so what's wrong with celebrating his death? Was it wrong for people to celebrate Hitler's death?

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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    I already know the answer. Of the 8 Marines, only 1 was found innocent. 6 of them had their cases dropped, and 1 is still facing charges and a trial.

    So unless you have evidence to the contrary, your previous statement is false.
    Cases dropped = not guilty. Of course, I'm sure you already know that, but since you have a political agenda to push, honesty could hardly be expected...

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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I'll go slow for you... You are cavilier with your slanderous lies about honorable men, you would much rather see a soldier convicted of a capital crime, whether he is guilty or not, as long as it scores political points for you.
    Ah, see how much better it is when you actually say what it is you're trying to say?

    slanderous lies about honorable men
    Ok, you really do have to slow down for me here. Whose "lies" are you talking about? Surely you're not calling your "brothers", who testified how they witnessed that SSgt kill those Iraqi civilians as they stood by their car with their arms up in the air, liars? Are you?

    Are you saying your "brothers" lied when they wrote in their report:
    "The taxi's five occupants exited the vehicle and according to U.S. and Iraqi witnesses, were shot by Wuterich as they stood, unarmed, next to the vehicle approximately ten feet in front of him," said a report by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS).
    Or are you saying your other "brother", a retired Air Force lawyer testified:
    “We can’t say those guys didn’t commit a crime,” said Michael F. Noone Jr., a retired Air Force lawyer and law professor at Catholic University of America. “We can only say that after an investigation, there was not sufficient evidence to prosecute.”
    Perhaps you're saying that that other "brother" of yours, SSgt Wuterich who is still awaiting trial, lied when in a 60 Minutes interview in which he admitted to this:
    ... ordering his men to "shoot first and ask questions later." The interview includes Wuterich insisting he perceived a threat from house 1 but saw no gun fire from that house and that he saw no insurgent enter that house. He suggests he saw the dead family in house 1 and proceeded to assault house 2 based on a guess that the gunman may have entered that house. The Marines knocked on the door of house 2 and when someone came to answer they fired through the door killing what they saw to be an unarmed man. They then assaulted the house and killed the family inside. Wuterich believes now that there was probably no threat to begin with.
    Or, are you saying those little 13 and 9 year old kids were lying when they described how the Marines cold bloodedly murdered their entire family? Yeah, they're probably cold hearted liars by their ripe old ages, ehh?

    Or, are you saying that "I" am lying about what alllll those "brothers" of yours said? That would mean that all those articles and videos quoting those people as making those statements would be in a vast anti-military conspiracy with little old me to "besmirch" your "innocent" "brothers"?

    Please clarify this for me. I'm sure we're all confused by your strange claims.

    Or... could the real truth be that you just don't like someone like Murtha or me speaking the truth about a few of your "brothers" who just weren't up to the standards the rest of the military lives by? Hmmm?
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Ah, see how much better it is when you actually say what it is you're trying to say?


    Right, one must slow down and speak in smaller words for you. Noted.




    Ok, you really do have to slow down for me here. Whose "lies" are you talking about? Surely you're not calling your "brothers", who testified how they witnessed that SSgt kill those Iraqi civilians as they stood by their car with their arms up in the air, liars? Are you?

    Are you saying your "brothers" lied when they wrote in their report:


    Or are you saying your other "brother", a retired Air Force lawyer testified:

    I'm saying your cherrypicking your story to attack all of em.



    Perhaps you're saying that that other "brother" of yours, SSgt Wuterich who is still awaiting trial, lied when in a 60 Minutes interview in which he admitted to this:

    See you were a tank jockey, so you don't understand combat.... he perceived a threat from house


    That's all he needs. You have the rest of your life to win a gunfight....



    Or, are you saying those little 13 and 9 year old kids were lying when they described how the Marines cold bloodedly murdered their entire family? Yeah, they're probably cold hearted liars by their ripe old ages, ehh?

    Because childeren never lie....





    Or, are you saying that "I" am lying about what alllll those "brothers" of yours said? That would mean that all those articles and videos quoting those people as making those statements would be in a vast anti-military conspiracy with little old me to "besmirch" your "innocent" "brothers"?


    i'm just saying you like to pick "facts" that match your agenda, and ignore other facts that show you to be full of it as you are usually.




    Please clarify this for me. I'm sure we're all confused by your strange claims.


    Who's we, The only other guy on your side here is dead dickhead murtha. May he rot in hell.



    Or... could the real truth be that you just don't like someone like Murtha or me speaking the truth about a few of your "brothers" who just weren't up to the standards the rest of the military lives by? Hmmm?


    Truth? the fact that you weren't there, nor are you privy to all the information and you convict them based on your crappy politics....
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Are you in a coma?

    "my breathern"?

    I get it. You just want to whine and whine and whine, right? Ok. go ahead.
    Nobody is whinning I just wish the Captain of the ship I was on would have authorized "Dungaree Liberty" for the crew that day......There would been some major ass kicking to your friends and the "Hanoi" Jane supporters.......
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Right, one must slow down and speak in smaller words for you. Noted.
    Thank you so much.

    I'm saying your cherrypicking your story to attack all of em.
    I see. Well then, please put it all "in context" for me.

    See you were a tank jockey, so you don't understand combat.... he perceived a threat from house
    Really?

    That's all he needs. You have the rest of your life to win a gunfight....
    Ahhh..... based on the "fact" that he saw no muzzle flashes from those houses or any people entering them.
    Is that how you define a "perceived threat"?

    i'm just saying you like to pick "facts" that match your agenda, and ignore other facts that show you to be full of it as you are usually.
    Please educate me, oh wise soldier. Please put together all those cherry picked facts into a picture that justifies that massacre.

    Truth? the fact that you weren't there, nor are you privy to all the information and you convict them based on your crappy politics....
    I'm just going by what your "brothers" said. Under oath.
    How is any of that cherry picked?

    "crappy politics"? Here's what is "crappy" about this sad story. SSgt Frank Wuterich was due to get out of the service. He was an instructor in Hawaii with absolutely zero combat experience. But, like so many little boys who only get to "play" soldier, he wanted to "see war". So, they sent him over to Iraq. Because of his rank and time in grade he was made a squad leader. He was now responsible for the lives of other men. They could have been you, or your brother or son or a close friend. He was now responsible for their lives.

    He probably got all shook up in his first fire fight and lost it. I'm sure he noticed the difference between faking it, in his Hawaii training classes, and the real thing. He lied to his superiors, several times, about what happened. He killed those men next to their car straight on. Those men never tried to run away.

    This guy had no business being in Iraq. His superiors should have known this. They probably had their hands tied because those idiots of yours in the white house thought we could win this ware with just a few battalions. This was the bigger picture Murtha was trying to get across. But, BushCo, and people like you, didn't want to hear that they... oh God... made mistakes!

    I await your clarifications.
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    "crappy politics"? Here's what is "crappy" about this sad story. SSgt Frank Wuterich was due to get out of the service. He was an instructor in Hawaii with absolutely zero combat experience. But, like so many little boys who only get to "play" soldier, he wanted to "see war". So, they sent him over to Iraq. Because of his rank and time in grade he was made a squad leader. He was now responsible for the lives of other men. They could have been you, or your brother or son or a close friend. He was now responsible for their lives.


    Wow can you be any more disrespectful to people who chose to serve in combat for thier country? I mean we all cant be tank track repairmen at the back of the support company.


    He probably got all shook up in his first fire fight and lost it. I'm sure he noticed the difference between faking it, in his Hawaii training classes, and the real thing. He lied to his superiors, several times, about what happened. He killed those men next to their car straight on. Those men never tried to run away.

    This guy had no business being in Iraq. His superiors should have known this. They probably had their hands tied because those idiots of yours in the white house thought we could win this ware with just a few battalions. This was the bigger picture Murtha was trying to get across. But, BushCo, and people like you, didn't want to hear that they... oh God... made mistakes!

    I await your clarifications.




    idiots of mine? Wow, you really are something arent you.... You have it all figured out.... You hear the story you want, the story that apparently wasn't all that true (you would see more convictions if it were) and you, just like your dirtbag dead rotting corpse murtha, foam at the mouth to convice ANY soldier, and belittle the military you once proudly served.


    I pity you, it must be a miserable existance for you.
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Wow can you be any more disrespectful to people who chose to serve in combat for thier country? I mean we all cant be tank track repairmen at the back of the support company.








    idiots of mine? Wow, you really are something arent you.... You have it all figured out.... You hear the story you want, the story that apparently wasn't all that true (you would see more convictions if it were) and you, just like your dirtbag dead rotting corpse murtha, foam at the mouth to convice ANY soldier, and belittle the military you once proudly served.


    I pity you, it must be a miserable existance for you.
    In other words,

    ... per usual,

    ...... you have nothing to provide us with as far as "facts" go here... right?

    Thank you for that verification.
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    In other words,

    ... per usual,

    ...... you have nothing to provide us with as far as "facts" go here... right?

    Thank you for that verification.




    Right, run along chuckles, at least one of you (murtha) has achieved something in life.... "room tempurature"
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