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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    Let's not forget that it was the lefties in the "peace" rallies and anti-war protests of the 1960s who spat upon, shat upon, and basically stepped upon our troops returning from 'Nam.
    You are absolutely right. That WAS pathetic! And why were those vets treated that way? Because of stories, not all untrue, of some military committing crimes (murder, rape, etc.) against civilians in Vietnam. The sins of the few damned the good honor of the many.

    Is this really that hard for some of you to understand? To blindly defend criminal behavior ties all service men and women's reputation to them.
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    ADK knows that, he just wants to be partisan even when he's wrong, which is almost always.
    You actually have the nerve to comment in this discussion? Your irrelevant one liners serve no purpose here except to expose your naivete.
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    You do realize ADK, that had you, whilst fixing a tank, had to shoot and kill an enemy, in Iraq, and a stray bullet struck a civillian, dead ex-marine dirtbag murtha would not hesitate to brand you a murderer, then when cleared of all charges, refuse to appologize...


    in the Military, Murder is a capital offense. It's people like you, who are willing to have innocent troops put to death for your politics that are abhorrent in nature, and not worthy of the brotherhood the rest of us share.


    No offense of course, but your politicing with soldiers lives is disgusting and dishonorable.
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You do realize ADK, that had you, whilst fixing a tank, had to shoot and kill an enemy, in Iraq, and a stray bullet struck a civillian, dead ex-marine dirtbag murtha would not hesitate to brand you a murderer, then when cleared of all charges, refuse to appologize...
    There's a big difference between an innocent/not guilty verdict (mind you from a biased military trial!) as well as having charges dropped because the Marines covered up the case from the beginning and granted immunity to some guilty... and being "cleared".

    OJ was also found Not Guilty even tho there was an abundance of evidence against him.

    "The taxi's five occupants exited the vehicle and according to U.S. and Iraqi witnesses, were shot by Wuterich as they stood, unarmed, next to the vehicle approximately ten feet in front of him," said a report by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS).

    The report, which relied on hundreds of interviews with Marines, Iraqi soldiers and civilian survivors, presents a fragmented and sometimes conflicting chronicle of the violence. Taken together, however, the accounts provide evidence that the Marines responded in ways that are difficult to reconcile with their rules of engagement.
    Nation & World | The Haditha shootings: What the witnesses saw | Seattle Times Newspaper

    Safah Yunis Salem, 13, who said she played dead to avoid being shot, was the only survivor of the Marine attack on the second house. Her sister Aisha, 3, was shot in the leg and died; her brother Zainab, 5, was killed by a shot to the head. She said she lost six other members of her family.

    "He fired and killed everybody," Safah said. "The American fired and killed everybody."

    One Marine and two Iraqi soldiers told investigators that the men who had been in the taxi were standing in a line outside it, some with their hands up, when Wuterich began to fire on them.

    Wuterich said the men got out of the car, and he shot them because he considered them a threat. Dela Cruz contradicted that account.
    "As I crossed the median I saw one of the Iraqi civilians, who was standing in the center of the line, drop to the ground," Dela Cruz told investigators. "Immediately afterwards another Iraqi standing by him raised his hands to his head. I then heard other small arms fire and looked to my left and saw Sgt. Wuterich kneeling on one knee and shooting his M16 in the direction of the Iraqi civilians."

    Dela Cruz told investigators that he pumped bullets into the bodies of the Iraqi men after they were on the ground and later urinated on one of them.

    Iman Walid Abdul-Hamid, 9, told investigators that a grenade exploded near her grandfather's bed. Her mother and 4-year-old brother were killed as she huddled, injured, with another brother, Abdul Rahman, 6, who survived. "All rooms," Abdul told investigators. "They were shooting in all rooms."

    “We can’t say those guys didn’t commit a crime,” said Michael F. Noone Jr., a retired Air Force lawyer and law professor at Catholic University of America. “We can only say that after an investigation, there was not sufficient evidence to prosecute.”
    Lt. Col. Jeffrey R. Chessani: Article 32 Summary



    in the Military, Murder is a capital offense. It's people like you, who are willing to have innocent troops put to death for your politics that are abhorrent in nature, and not worthy of the brotherhood the rest of us share.
    "Innocent troops"? As always Rev, you never let facts sway you.

    The evidence is quite clear. Some of these guys are guilty of cold blooded murder. The biggest stain on the Marines' reputation is that these crimes were covered up by the Marines, both the squad involved and their commanders.

    No offense of course, but your politicing with soldiers lives is disgusting and dishonorable.
    No offense taken considering the source.
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    There's a big difference between an innocent/not guilty verdict (mind you from a biased military trial!) as well as having charges dropped because the Marines covered up the case from the beginning and granted immunity to some guilty... and being "cleared".

    So not only are you parsing innocent/not guilty, (a few were declared "innocent") you dishonorably besmirch the military for your politics.


    nice.



    OJ was also found Not Guilty even tho there was an abundance of evidence against him.

    You like murtha, wouldn't care if an innocet soldier died if it moved your politics foward...




    "Innocent troops"? As always Rev, you never let facts sway you.


    Seriously, shame on you. You disgrace those who served like you. Even with all the immunity, no one was convicted?


    Don't let facts get in the way of you lying about your brothers and sisters....


    Anything for your far left ideology.



    The evidence is quite clear. Some of these guys are guilty of cold blooded murder. The biggest stain on the Marines' reputation is that these crimes were covered up by the Marines, both the squad involved and their commanders.

    And even when granted immunity, how many were convicted, and of what. Your seething hatred for this country, and those who serve it, is the only thing "quite clear"




    No offense taken considering the source.

    Yes, the source is a veteran who served honorably, who exposes your dishonorable lies about people who like you signed on the line. I guess you would have to have been in combat, and have some ex-support troop turned liberal bloviator accusing you of murder for trying to save his own life to understand why people think so low of Murtha and your ilk.
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You like murtha, wouldn't care if an innocet soldier died if it moved your politics foward...
    It is clear I am the only one in this conversation who does care about our innocent troops.

    I never said that that entire squad was guilty.

    Seriously, shame on you. You disgrace those who served like you. Even with all the immunity, no one was convicted?
    When most of the immuned are part of the crime and the command has been proven, and disciplined for, to have covered this crime up and the fact that the military is not very quick to air its dirty laundry, especially when it exposes poor conditions for the troops, it is not surprising when their so-called "trials" convict no one.

    Don't let facts get in the way of you lying about your brothers and sisters....
    You may invite those who murder innocent civilians into your family but, I assure you I have much higher standards.

    Anything for your far left ideology.
    This has nothing to do with ideology. It is not surprising that you cannot see that.

    Your seething hatred for this country, and those who serve it, is the only thing "quite clear"
    Again, it is quite clear that it is Murtha and I who love this country. It takes guts to stand up against the crowd to expose what is wrong. From your posts, I would not expect you to be one of those who stands up against what the gang was chanting. It is much easier to follow the crowd.

    Instead of standing up for truly innocent and honorable troops you choose to defend murderers because you think by thumping your chest ranting "We are all brothers. All troops are honorable no matter how they act because we all wear camo while mowing our grass on the weekend!", that you are brainwashing everyone else into believing your spin of what those murderers actually did, even tho their actions stain the vast majority of vets who did indeed act honorably and cared enough about their, and our country's, reputations to resist what may be easy yet, wrong.

    Spare me your name calling. Your words tell me all I need to know about you. Similar to what your hero Bush said about Putin, "I can see into your soul".
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    It is clear I am the only one in this conversation who does care about our innocent troops.


    Right, Want to take a poll on that?


    I never said that that entire squad was guilty.

    Ahh backpeddling now? Your boy Murtha did, that dirtbag disgrace.




    When most of the immuned are part of the crime and the command has been proven, and disciplined for, to have covered this crime up and the fact that the military is not very quick to air its dirty laundry, especially when it exposes poor conditions for the troops, it is not surprising when their so-called "trials" convict no one.

    You are pulling that out of your ass.





    You may invite those who murder innocent civilians into your family but, I assure you I have much higher standards.

    Who are these people? Oh you are refering to the acquitted troops you slander.





    This has nothing to do with ideology. It is not surprising that you cannot see that.

    Everthing you do has to do with your far left ideology, even at the expense of those who served.





    Again, it is quite clear that it is Murtha and I who love this country. It takes guts to stand up against the crowd to expose what is wrong. From your posts, I would not expect you to be one of those who stands up against what the gang was chanting. It is much easier to follow the crowd.

    Murtha accused innocent marines of a capital crime. When he was proven wrong refused to apologize.


    You think your some kind of hero, but you are the worst kind or opportunist, at the detriment to those who are in harms way.



    Instead of standing up for truly innocent and honorable troops you choose to defend murderers because you think by thumping your chest ranting "We are all brothers. All troops are honorable no matter how they act because we all wear camo while mowing our grass on the weekend!", that you are brainwashing everyone else into believing your spin of what those murderers actually did, even tho their actions stain the vast majority of vets who did indeed act honorably and cared enough about their, and our country's, reputations to resist what may be easy yet, wrong.

    Did I say all troop are innocent? nope, that's a lie on your part. But many of the troops you and murtha slandared are innocent.


    But your left wing ideology, doesnt care who you besmirch.



    Spare me your name calling. Your words tell me all I need to know about you. Similar to what your hero Bush said about Putin, "I can see into your soul".


    My hero bush? Your hyper-partisan asinine kookery is showing again.
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Any vet who acts like those guys did... is NOT my brother.

    First off, you guys act as if "all" military persons, past and present, should be knighted or sainted. We all know that many, many less than desirables wind up in the service. When I was in basic, 3 out of 4 squads in my platoon were in the Army instead of going to jail. Most of them were fine but, there was a group than just was not going to assimilate into the military way of life. Had those criminals been sent into a war zone there would have been a very high chance that they would have screwed up. If they lost it and went crazy on some civilians, or their "brothers" (give me a break!) are you saying they should be let go simply because some simpletons consider them "brothers"? Don't you think their actions reflect on those serving honorably, on those following the law? Why should your reputation take a hit because some jerk can't or won't control himself? Didn't you work hard to earn respect? Do you really want the rest of the country to look at you based on how some criminal behaves?

    Second, there is plenty of evidence that some of those Haditha Marines committed cold blooded murder. The fact that the Marines let all but one off the hook does not impress me. There is also evidence that some officers were complicit in a cover up. From what I've read, some very good officers got dirtied in this mess, probably because of that "brother" attitude that "none of my men would do that" mentality. They may not have been convicted of it but, some were disciplined.

    When that last guy is finally convicted of those murders (of innocent and defenseless old men, women and children who, by the way, were looking to us to protect them!) will you still defend him as "your brother"? Would you want your reputation tied to his?

    There is a bigger picture here. It does not surprise me that many of you can't bring yourself to see it.

    That is your choice...You take the word of and old corrupt senile politician....I take the word of the guys in the field.......Sure maybe someone innocent got hurt.....Those things happen in wars but to condemn these guys before any facts have been presented is outrageous....You would expect someone like Kerry to do it (and he did) but not and old war horse like Murtha.........
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    You are absolutely right. That WAS pathetic! And why were those vets treated that way? Because of stories, not all untrue, of some military committing crimes (murder, rape, etc.) against civilians in Vietnam. The sins of the few damned the good honor of the many.

    Is this really that hard for some of you to understand? To blindly defend criminal behavior ties all service men and women's reputation to them.
    No one is saying there were not a few bad apples that did those things but you can't paint everyone with the same brush...........My ship came back from a 10 month deeployment in the South China Seas and your commie friends were waiting for us at the gate, cussing and spitting at us.....We did not commit any atrocities...Hell we never touched land in Nam........
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You like murtha, wouldn't care if an innocet soldier died if it moved your politics foward...
    pot meet kettle.





    What a disgusting thread.

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