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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    THAT certainly was part of Reagan's belief system.

    Certainly they shared responsibility, but most people DID start practicing safe sex when AIDS came about. The educational effort on the part of the educational community was incredible. The federal government's response under Reagan was pathetic and thousands upon thousands died as a result of his inaction.
    Not the folks who contracted AIDS, obviously. Those folks only have themselves to blame.
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not the folks who contracted AIDS, obviously. Those folks only have themselves to blame.
    Certainly people should use precautions and I am not saying that Reagan is to blame for the entire epidemic. However, what cannot be discounted is the fact that Reagan did nothing for years because he didn't care. It wasn't affecting the people that he cared about so he sat back and did nothing.
    That is why I danced and celebrated when he died...the level of his compassion was reflected by his inactivity.
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    THAT certainly was part of Reagan's belief system.

    Certainly they shared responsibility, but most people DID start practicing safe sex when AIDS came about. The educational effort on the part of the educational community was incredible. The federal government's response under Reagan was pathetic and thousands upon thousands died as a result of his inaction.
    You didn't respond to me, guess you have no rebuttal.
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Certainly people should use precautions and I am not saying that Reagan is to blame for the entire epidemic. However, what cannot be discounted is the fact that Reagan did nothing for years because he didn't care. It wasn't affecting the people that he cared about so he sat back and did nothing.
    That is why I danced and celebrated when he died...the level of his compassion was reflected by his inactivity.
    That's exactly what you're saying. But, hey, I never met a Liberal that believed in personal responsibility.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

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    You didn't respond to me, guess you have no rebuttal.
    I didn't see it....but I went back and found it.

    The work down by the CDC was primarily motivated by efforts in the medical community and the gay community in response to the AIDS epidemic. It wasn't because Reagan showed great leadership.
    The reality is, had Reagan gotten the Federal Government involved will the AIDS crisis was in its infancy, thousands of lives could have been saved. There was no effort from the Federal Government to push for education, let alone research, because in Reagan's mind, it was only affecting the gays.
    If it had not been for efforts by the gay community to come together and get an education system in place, thousands more would have died.

    In a time when Reagan could have shown what a true leader he was, he sat silent. And his silence=death.
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's exactly what you're saying. But, hey, I never met a Liberal that believed in personal responsibility.
    Then you aren't reading very well.
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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Then you aren't reading very well.
    I've never met a Liberal that didn't accuse someone of a lack of intelligence, or education when they get they're balls busted, either...

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    There is a lot about the man that I dislike and in time I don't doubt I'll say it. But not right after he passes.

    I feel the immediately attacking liberals on this forum have done was wrong, and its the same here. Using the death of a politician you disagreed with as a chance to just launch into vitriolic attacks immediately is just a low class act inmho.

    Some in this thread have stated their disagreements with Murtha without being over the top hateful and full on attacking, kudos to them for being able to express themselves while keeping some class.

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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's exactly what you're saying. But, hey, I never met a Liberal that believed in personal responsibility.
    They exist but they have this funny view of the world.... they believe in personal responsibility for themselves and their own families and children but it's okay if everyone else doesn't have it. That's perfectly acceptable - even though that same responsible liberal wants to change others for their own good because they don't know better and are just ignorant. THEY aren't ignorant for knowing better, just others are. It's always externalized... they wouldn't DREAM that the same would apply to them - always others.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, an RIP thread was already started before this one, and it looks like the primary purpose of this thread was to hijack the RIP thread by creating an anti-RIP thread. Well done, too. Now the discussion is not on the death, but on controversy instead.

    I did it to follow the rules. the rip thread made me sick.


    Personally, although I could not stand Murtha, I would have at least waited until he was in the ground before starting a thread like this.



    Why, he didn't want to wait to convict Marines of a capital offense before they stood trial....
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