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    Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by EUObserver
    German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle has said Berlin supports the long term goal of creating a European army, which will bolster the EU's role as a global player.
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    he EU's new institutional rules, the Lisbon Treaty, are "not the end but, rather, the beginning for common security and defence policy.

    The long term goal is the establishment of a European army under full parliamentary control," he said, noting that the German government "wants to advance along this path.

    This is not intended to replace other security structures. More Europe is not a strategy directed against anyone. No one has any reason to fear Europe, but everyone should be able to depend on Europe.
    So what do Americans thnk about this, how about Europeans, and how about others?

    This is a work in progress since the Maastricht treaty. But I mean, "under full parliament control"

    Germany has the biggest say in the parliament.
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Sounds like a great idea. What could go wrong?
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    A European Army is almost inevitable. I do feel that the European Union needs to evolve a bit more before it undertakes such a task. For instance, the line between the Commission and Parliament has not receded much recently, as both have a portion of authority for making EU legislation. I would prefer that the EU increase this distinction, as the Commission is purely bureaucratic without any EU Citizen supervision (i.e. public election) whereas the Parliament is elected.

    I would rather the Army be established in an arena where the public say is the dominating factor, not suits.
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    So what do Americans thnk about this, how about Europeans, and how about others?

    This is a work in progress since the Maastricht treaty. But I mean, "under full parliament control"

    Germany has the biggest say in the parliament.
    Oh look another nail in the coffin of what ever sovereignty those countries might have left.
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Oh look another nail in the coffin of what ever sovereignty those countries might have left.
    James,

    This does not rule out the plausibility of a Nation-State army and a European Army co-existing.
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    So what do Americans thnk about this, how about Europeans, and how about others?

    This is a work in progress since the Maastricht treaty. But I mean, "under full parliament control"

    Germany has the biggest say in the parliament.
    The EU is a just a baby version of what the U.S. is now.
    But have no fear, each of your "independent" countries will all loose their sovereignty soon enough.
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    James,

    This does not rule out the plausibility of a Nation-State army and a European Army co-existing.
    I think one of many ideas is to have national militaries that is integrated in a European military in a useful way to make up that European military. Which could for example mean there is more need for an army in Poland and less in the UK, while more need for Navy in the UK, and less in Germany.

    Such things, for example.
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    So what do Americans thnk about this, how about Europeans, and how about others?
    The EU is free to do as they please.
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    The EU is free to do as they please.
    No, not really, they are only free to do what member states agree on. The EU is not a state in itself like the US.

    Anyways.. I mean, American perspective on this would be interesting. Would you see it as helpful, dangerous, detrimental or what exactly?
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    No, not really, they are only free to do what member states agree on. The EU is not a state in itself like the US.

    Anyways.. I mean, American perspective on this would be interesting. Would you see it as helpful, dangerous, detrimental or what exactly?
    They are free to do as they please from my perspective.

    I think a standing EU army is probably a slightly paranoid response to the growing economic and military power of the Communist government in China. I'm not saying that the EU shouldn't be concerned, but a standing EU army is going to be expensive if all nations keep their own armies plus an EU army.

    I certainly don't see it as dangerous to America.
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