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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sounds like a great idea. What could go wrong?
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    So what do Americans thnk about this, how about Europeans, and how about others?

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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Anyways.. I mean, American perspective on this would be interesting. Would you see it as helpful, dangerous, detrimental or what exactly?
    Irrelevent. It is impractical and pointless. It would accomplish nothing more than what we see today. In the end, Europe's tribes will constantly threaten the region's integrity.
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Same problem with NATO and they seem to manage. I know with NATO AWACS the official language in the work place is english.
    NATO manages because it is managed by the U.S.

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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Irrelevent. It is impractical and pointless. It would accomplish nothing more than what we see today. In the end, Europe's tribes will constantly threaten its integrity.
    It's no more pointless than anyone else having a military.
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    It's no more pointless than anyone else having a military.
    Everyone else's military hails from a nation. They follow orders from a distinct single government. A European military will hail from many and remain loyal to parent commands before it does the bidding of a General (or politician) from another. And in those instances where Europe is divided over what to do for another ally, this "unified" military will prove pointless. Another consideration is over the defense of single nations. What if two nations are attacked? Will this "unified" military break off to defend homeland or forsake it just to remain "unified" in another's?

    Impractical. We may as well make a North American military consisting of Canadian, American, and Mexican citizens. Surely Canadians and Mexicans will follow the orders of a George Bush....right?

    For a reference of how it would look...look towards NATO. Without America pulling and prodding, it would easily have fallen apart long ago. And when it came to Bosnia or Kosovo it took a lot of exhausting weeks to persuade just a few of the members to agree to the smallest tasks and mission assignments.
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    I think that to make this work, there has to be less than 2 french soldiers per battalion. Otherwise.....
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Everyone else's military hails from a nation. They follow orders from a distinct single government. A European military will hail from many and remain loyal to parent commands before it does the bidding of a General (or politician) from another. And in those instances where Europe is divided over what to do for another ally, this "unified" military will prove pointless. Another consideration is over the defense of single nations. What if two nations are attacked? Will this "unified" military break off to defend homeland or forsake it just to remain "unified" in another's?

    Impractical.
    Those serving in the European military would be loyal to the European Union. There would have to be one over-arching command, and the idea seems to be that it would be answerable to the European Parliament who would vote on deployments and such.

    If two nations were attacked, it would simply be like if two US states were attacked, or two Canadian provinces. The European military would have to make strategic decisions.

    You're making this more problematic than it necessarily would be. In fact this may go some ways to A. Giving more power to Parliament, and B. Increasing Europeans' sense of communal identity. Both of which are good things!
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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Just as long as no one invades poland.

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    Re: Germany speaks out in favour of European army

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Those serving in the European military would be loyal to the European Union. There would have to be one over-arching command, and the idea seems to be that it would be answerable to the European Parliament who would vote on deployments and such.
    Highly impractical. There is no U.N. / NATO / or any other higher command that would hold my allegiance and loyalty in another nation if America was being attacked. You actually believe that 5,000 French troops would be expected to stay encamped under EU colors in Germany while France gets devistated?

    This is an academic exercise at best.

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    If two nations were attacked, it would simply be like if two US states were attacked, or two Canadian provinces. The European military would have to make strategic decisions.
    Actually, it would not be the same at all. Canadians are Canadians and Americans are Americans. The French aren't German and the Poles aren't Itailans. Until the nations of Europe surrender their flags and guidons so that they can be one nation....they are forever separate.

    Let's not forget that the EU merely caulks over the cracks of Europe. It hardly unites them.

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    You're making this more problematic than it necessarily would be. In fact this may go some ways to A. Giving more power to Parliament, and B. Increasing Europeans' sense of communal identity. Both of which are good things!
    More illusions. In the end, they are separate tribes and with every chance to prove it they do.
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