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Germany speaks out in favour of European army

A breeding ground for extremism.

You just don't seemn to get how different we are from you. Extremism comes from oppression or from bad treatment. Ours is an accepting diverse culture. Extremism is a European problem. But a degree of closed society that keeps Europe at an arms distance is exactly what we need. You people have taken advantage of enough American blood.


Nah, I dont care about all that.

Your governments sure do. All the groveling since Obama took office has been sickening. And it was all topped off with a Nobel Peace Prize.

I just think its a great shame that America has gone from being the most open society in the world, to being a closed dogmatic society with extremism, ignorance and polarization as the driving forces.

We are still the most open society on earth. Immigration continues to be targetted to the U.S. Our programs of acceptance contunues to be funded. What has differed is our trust in the world and our allies. This is a result of the world's inability to deal with their own problems. Your statement is ignorant and petty.

I'm curious. How old are you anyway? We've been bitching back and forth for so long maybe I should know you a little better.

If you understood economics, you would understand that the American economy is in crisis and that the fundamental parts of the economy have declined enourmously, like me for example predicted years ago.

The American economy is no where near the crisis it was a year ago. And it has been in economic crisis before. You predicted ultimate failure and doom like an anti-American leftist would. America's economy is bouncing and growing again. Europe's economy is more of a wreck than usual. Your great EU can't get any of your countries to work together at all. And when America is re-charged, re-shaped, and stronger (which is what we do historically when we stumble) Europe will still be whining about how others are responsible for lifting them up because they can't do for themselves. But if Russia is your future, pull all your securities from America and focus them towards Moscow. Or do we know better than this behind closed doors?

But take heart. At least when America stumbles it doesn't drag the world into global wars. Just through association you will be pampered back to health.



I think Europe are embracing Russia more and more since the break up of the Soviet Union, and for good reason, it was one of the most closed societies in the world, and is moving more and more in a positive direction towards and open society.
Thats reason enough to reward them for sure.

Thank Washington. We were talking with the Soviets long before Western Europeans sought bed mates. And it was Clinton's foriegn policy after the Cold War that made this possible. He knew that our security relied upon a stronger Western and Eastern Europe. After all, two World Wars and a Cold war started there.

And by the way....Russia cannot be trusted. There is the Western world and there is the rest. As long as Russia embraces Iran, you are groveling with the enemy.
 
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Colonization? You mean like US "colonization" of Hawaii and the souther states? :lol:
Or even worse, perhaps you mean like Spanish "colonization" of the Basque region?
This was in response to my question:
Are you somehow suggesting that it’s not Tibetans but in fact the western media who reject the Chinese colonisation of Tibet?
You have not answered my question.

The fact is that Tibet has been part of China for a long time, longer than the US have existed, and have recently had their attempts at BREAKING away from China, just like Basque has tried in Spain. Both are rebel populations in a region where the majority doesnt necessarily support indpendence, and where such is historically incorrect.
On what do you base the assertion that “the majority doesnt necessarily support independence”?
Do you support the right to self determination?

Like I said also, personally I support greater regionalism in Europe, but China is nowhere near Europe in such a maturity that it can even think about such things. But heck, then again, I support Californian independence or indepenence of many regions both in Europe and the US. Not exactly mainstream like all the wrong bickering about Tibet, just because western politics through media brainwashing is trying to wage war against a China they fear.
So the western media is trying to wage war with China. ROFLMAO!
I would say you're a fool but I’m still responding to this horse manure. I guess I’m the idiot.

So what? A "western" democracy in China will not work, and let everyone with a bit of sanity hope forever that western style democracy is avoided in China.
Because you say so? Tell me, if there’s a “western” democracy, what are the other types of democracies?

Lets instead hope that China keep moving in the direction they do, and keep their 1 party, and keep making it less authorative, and keep giving the people more and more influence over political decisions. Thats democracy, what we have in the west will then be considered very poor democracy.
Untill that day you might consider to keep these clairvoyant dreams silent.

But I do... I didnt know this was what you referred to.
Yet you accused me of not understanding Chinese history, funny that.

Isnt this what is going on in the US actually? :mrgreen:
President reads from a teleprompter and people are being chipped and tracked.
I don’t know, I don’t live in the US.
China has moved to far away from communist ideas in my opinion. They should re-embrace equality and a society that works for EVERYONE instead of the individuals first, then everyone second.

So, can you not imagine something better than a sham democracy?
Yes; a democracy.


So you contest the idea that hundreds of millions of Chinese people have been lifted out of poverty the last 20 years? :confused:
Oh brother, we we’re talking about the EU. Here you go:

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The European Union commission has no parties, they just propose the policies they see as the best way forward, and the people of the commission varies all the time. Thats a pretty good example, but its not a government, just a good type of political indstitution.

Post#106 me
Can you name me a few of their achievements? What's so appealing?

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Bringing more than the equivilant of the full population of the US out of poverty into relative comfortable lives.
 
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You just don't seemn to get how different we are from you.

I do, Americans have embraced extremism after 911, America has gone from an open to a closed society in the same period. Europe on the other hand, as a region is by far the most open society of todays world. There is little extremism in Europe. American is like rich and poor, Europe is overall balanced more in the rational middle, so it goes for opinions. Americans are balancing on the most extremes, just like terrorists, criminals and other insane people.

Your governments sure do. All the groveling since Obama took office has been sickening. And it was all topped off with a Nobel Peace Prize.

Thats ridiculous. Of course European governments were happy with anyone who follows a fascist like George W Bush as president of the United States. And those expectations were far too high on average yes, but the mood has cooled down now. I dont know any European leaders who have grand faith in Obama anymore, in changing the direction of the US and once again making it an open society not based around military extremism and pretend democracy.

We are still the most open society on earth.

No way. You don't know what an open society is.

Immigration continues to be targetted to the U.S.

Really? Is that the reality you believe in?
Europe receive just as many immigrants as the US, actually more according to statistics, but per person, its about the same.

Our programs of acceptance contunues to be funded.

Like which programs? The ones that keeps latinoes and blacks seperate from the rest of the population in the US? The programs that assures these people are never integrated with the rest in a proper way? Those acceptance programs?

What has differed is our trust in the world and our allies.

What country trusts the US now? What country looks to the US for leadership anymore?
None... Ask the same in the 90s and the answer would be different.

There is a reason for this change. Its easy for the US to use "trust issues" with allies to wage global unrestricted war.. Like NAZI Germany did or imperial Japan, or fascist Italy.

This is a result of the world's inability to deal with their own problems.

LIKE WHAT? Spending all time being afraid of terrorist and delusionally thinking terrorism is the only problem with in the world. Wow, dude, I actually feel anger towards your attitude now.

There isnt any problems, the only problems we have in the world is because of bad distribution and lack of education, the rest of the problems are a result of those problems. Waging war is NOT going to solve anything, if you think that you can just ask the Generals of NAZI Germany how far they got with that type of attitude.

Your attitude shocks me.

Your statement is ignorant and petty.

So who is petty and ignorant? The man who use that as "a way of arguing" or the guy he is arguing with?

I'm curious. How old are you anyway? We've been bitching back and forth for so long maybe I should know you a little better.

Does that matter? How old are you? I do believe I am around half your age if I am not totally mistaken(about your age).

The American economy is no where near the crisis it was a year ago.

Then you dont understand economy. You cant treat internal bleeding with drugs and assume everything is okay, just because it feels better.

The American economy is worse of at this day and age than it ever has been, including before and during the financial crisis. Actually, I am not going to blame only the American economy, for something that is clearly a problem with the whole economic model of capitalism(as I have stated before many times).. But seeing Americans have embraced the most extreme of capitalism, I do blame them a lot for a structurally faulty economy. European capitalist-socialism is faring a lot better.

None of those models are a solutions even so, capitalism is dead. Its just a question about us trying to resist a collapse and falling harder and worse, or us embracing the change we need.
The American military solution and resorting to militarism is NOT the solution, as NAZI Germany have showed us before.

And it has been in economic crisis before. You predicted ultimate failure and doom like an anti-American leftist would.

But I still do, the reason for that is because Americans(and Europeans) are unwilling to embrace hard and necessary change. If we fail to do that the collapse will be utterly painful.

America's economy is bouncing and growing again. Europe's economy is more of a wreck than usual.

But I can say the same, the European economy is also technically growing just like the American one, but in reality we are still both in economical decline. If you dont realize that its because you refuse to understand BASIC economic factors.

Your great EU can't get any of your countries to work together at all.

Really? Last time I checked we increased from 15 nations to 25 nations to 27 nations, which is the current amount of countries who are working together. and yes, therefor it is great.

And when America is re-charged, re-shaped, and stronger (which is what we do historically when we stumble)

Really? Is that so? The only place America is getting stronger is militarily. All the rest is weakening and collapsing. Now that is the SCARY fact.
If that is your definition of how America gets stronger, then sure.

Europe will still be whining about how others are responsible for lifting them up because they can't do for themselves.

Really? Did the American fascists teach you this so that you dont have to listen to European sanity anymore, rather just American politicians extremism. NAZI Germany also isolated their people in this way, did you know that?

Also all throughout history European countries have alse "re-charged, re-shaped, and stronger (which is what we do historically when we stumble)"...

But if Russia is your future, pull all your securities from America and focus them towards Moscow. Or do we know better than this behind closed doors?

The future is global... Not nationalist fascism.. Anyone who has an open society should be embraced, everyone who doesnt should be encouraged to change, including America. We are encouraging Russia to change all the time, and they are, very positively so. Now we have to focus energy on America, the Middle east, and many African countries. Even most of Asia is opening up and becoming open free societies.

But take heart. At least when America stumbles it doesn't drag the world into global wars. Just through association you will be pampered back to health.

But that is the direction it is taking, but is blind to see it because its frozen by fear which is exhaggerated by extremism. The US anno 2001-current is pursuing a similar path to that of NAZI Germany. I am not saying things are in identical order, but the same things are happening.

And by the way....Russia cannot be trusted. There is the Western world and there is the rest. As long as Russia embraces Iran, you are groveling with the enemy.

Perpahs Iran is only the enemy because you make them so. Perhaps if you encouraged them to change rather than scare them, they would open up.

The European way of encouragement is far greater than the American scare tactic. Europe has been leading the world into peaceful ways since the fall of the Soviet Empire. The US has contributed nothing positive since, but has rather followed a path of trying to dictate everyone else, to interfere with others business and to embrace militarism, force, aggression and such things. The world doesnt need that.
 
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