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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What "moderates"?

    You mean the fools that think the Constitution is a "living sheet of paper" that should crawl away and die because they don't want the government to obey the laws it contains?

    Or the "moderates" who want to have all the spending, so long as the rich are taxed enough to pay for it. Never mind that there aren't that many rich people, but it's what they want.

    The problem with the "moderate" position is that quicksand isn't a foundation to build on, nor are castles in the sky a wonderful idea, since the wind blows them every which way.
    Well, good luck defining the moderate position. In my book it is a practical, non-ideological position that borrows solutions from both the left and the right. It is solutions-based, not ideologically driven, since ideology is the problem.

    Your metaphors are meaningless. The moderate position is not like quicksand or castles in the sky. It is flexible and NOT excessive.

    Personally, I am a strict constitutionalist, intend to delegate entitlement spending to the states and want a non-progressive tax system that is pro-business.

    Does that address your "concerns"?

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    A simple search for all of Hazlnut's posts that contained the word "April" brought up this:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1058469796
    I showed up at a rally back in April. (in 'Libral' L.A.) At it's core, that particular rally was anti-Obama. The majority of the people there were frustrated about the outcome of the election and were all worked up by hyper-partisan talking points about Marxism and Socialism. I didn't meet one person who could talk specifics about TARP, the AIG Bailout, the Stimulus Package. There was a general confusion/misunderstanding about how those policies came about, their purpose, and how they were carried out. Granted, I only spoke with a handful of people, but the ones I met believed that the policies were marxist/socialist and this was all because of Obama.
    He did say before that he went to a Tea Part Protest.

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    If however, you do have something, I will publically apologize...
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...-own-hate.html

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I showed up at a rally back in April. (in 'Libral' L.A.) At it's core, that particular rally was anti-Obama. The majority of the people there were frustrated about the outcome of the election and were all worked up by hyper-partisan talking points about Marxism and Socialism. I didn't meet one person who could talk specifics about TARP, the AIG Bailout, the Stimulus Package. There was a general confusion/misunderstanding about how those policies came about, their purpose, and how they were carried out. Granted, I only spoke with a handful of people, but the ones I met believed that the policies were marxist/socialist and this was all because of Obama.

    Over year, I listened to what the various Tea Party reps had to say -- their frustrations and concerns. And, a few times I heard a criticism or two with which I agreed--an intelligent, thoughtful remark about a particular policy. But those were few and far between; the fiscal conservatism was buried in all this ignorant crap--a belief that President Obama is a marxist/socialist, and that the Democrats are all about taxing hard-working Americans to feed lazy homeless people.
    Anyway -- no worries, Rev.

    My biggest problem with the Tea Party movement (or what it has become) is the lack of reason or any thoughtful criticism. Maybe it's there somewhere, but all we hear is the overly-broad talking points and anti-Obama propaganda.

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    A simple search for all of Hazlnut's posts that contained the word "April" brought up this:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1058469796


    He did say before that he went to a Tea Part Protest.



    Ahh, very good.


    Hazlnut, I apologize.
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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    A simple search for all of Hazlnut's posts that contained the word "April" brought up this:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1058469796


    He did say before that he went to a Tea Part Protest.
    I tried Westminster then April -- but thank you.

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...-own-hate.html



    Anyway -- no worries, Rev.

    My biggest problem with the Tea Party movement (or what it has become) is the lack of reason or any thoughtful criticism. Maybe it's there somewhere, but all we hear is the overly-broad talking points and anti-Obama propaganda.


    see above for apology....


    Fact is your looking for a coherent movement when it never was inteded to be anything more than Americans angry at government spending, taxes, et al....


    I don't buy into the official "tea party", but rather an uprising by us "Rabble" petitioning our government for redress...


    Spending is out of control, government is too big....

    Thats what you need to take from all the things you see in the movement...


    Like i asked, are you anti-war? What did you think of those protesting?


    I think asinine is human, not partisan.
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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Low taxes, government accountability, balanced budget, reduced government size....


    What is extreme about any of this?
    Do that prevents the socialist takeover of the United States.

    That's too extreme for them.

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Ahh, very good.


    Hazlnut, I apologize.
    No worries.

    My opinions (words) about the Tea Party are strong because I thought there was such potential at one time.

    If those people could take step back and really look to see if their anger is being directed in the right place...

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    No worries.

    My opinions (words) about the Tea Party are strong because I thought there was such potential at one time.

    If those people could take step back and really look to see if their anger is being directed in the right place...
    Right.

    The shouldn't be blaming Obama.

    They should Blame it on Bush.

    Fact of the matter is that the Messiah embodies the policies of evil that are harming this country:

    Bigger government bigger spending bigger taxes bigger nannies bigger failures.

    That some Republicans go along with this nonsense doesn't alter the fact that the source of this cancer is the Democrat Party, and currently the Messiah is the most visible attribute of that tumor.
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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    No worries.

    My opinions (words) about the Tea Party are strong because I thought there was such potential at one time.

    If those people could take step back and really look to see if their anger is being directed in the right place...




    They do, they blame obama, congress, they blamed bush at the end..... there is plenty of anger and blame to go around..


    also you are in LA, so its gonna be kookier than normal, its LA....
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