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Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

Well, good luck defining the moderate position. In my book it is a practical, non-ideological position that borrows solutions from both the left and the right. It is solutions-based, not ideologically driven, since ideology is the problem.

Gee....I'm solutions based and not ideologically driven, unless you recognize that my ideology is the ideology that works....ie, produces solutions.

Problem: Deficit.

Solution: Cut spending. Since until the Messiah was elected the deficits were less than half the budget, and since more than half the budget is unconstitutional spending, the deficit not only vanishes when the unconstitutional spending is halted, but we get a tax cut, too.

Problem: Illegal immigration.

Solution: Find them, send them home. Find their employers, send them to jail after confiscating their property.

Problem: Health Care costs.

Solution: Get the goverment out of the health care business. Review what I just said about how over half the government spending is on unconstituional programs. Healthcare is one of them.

Moderates like to compromise. They don't give **** if something works or is constitutional, they just like giving in.
 
How do you get that from anything I said??

The original notion had potential.

The current "movement", hijacked by a mix of far-right fringe and partisan interests is impotent rage, baseless talking points, and Beckian conspiracy theories.

The GOP is not sure what to make of it--they seem to want to embrace it as their anti-Obama base, while distancing themselves from the fringe elements and bigotry.

Massachusetts. :lamo
 
Gee....I'm solutions based and not ideologically driven, unless you recognize that my ideology is the ideology that works....ie, produces solutions.
No you are a Reich wing extremist
Problem: Deficit.

Solution: Cut spending. Since until the Messiah was elected the deficits were less than half the budget, and since more than half the budget is unconstitutional spending, the deficit not only vanishes when the unconstitutional spending is halted, but we get a tax cut, too.
Whos the Messiah?
Problem: Illegal immigration.

Solution: Find them, send them home. Find their employers, send them to jail after confiscating their property.
Sounds a bit facist to Confinscate all their property but hey, You are a ronald reagan conservative..lol
Problem: Health Care costs.

Solution: Get the goverment out of the health care business. Review what I just said about how over half the government spending is on unconstituional programs. Healthcare is one of them.
So you want a Corp decideing if you get a operation or not..
Moderates like to compromise. They don't give **** if something works or is constitutional, they just like giving in.Moderates understand their views might not always be right.
..............................................................You sound to much like a Joe Republican to me...
 
Myself, I consider those on the side of liberty and personal freedoms to be patriots. Those who war monger, pollute and continually try to demonize the majority of the citizens of our great nation and divide from within are the anti-Americans.

Funny how reasonably intelligent people can be so polar in their opinion as to what is and what is not considered "patriotic."

I hear you.... we really need to do something about those democrats.

Oh wait, we are....... Massachusetts.
 
Have you read the TOS?

(terms of service)

AHHH the old I am a Conservative yet want to limit freedom of speech....not to surprised. Palin does the same....
 
I would hardly call a group of people, hating the majority of Americans, for their choice of direction they wish to see the country take, "patriotic." The opposite would be true in my opinion.

Don't worry, it will be a blood bath in November.

Massachusetts
 
AHHH the old I am a Conservative yet want to limit freedom of speech....not to surprised. Palin does the same....

I don't care what you say, but this forum has rules.... it isn't a democracy, it's a private website, therefore there is no right to free speech.
 
No you are a Reich wing extremist

No, only fools use the term "Reichwing".

Whos the Messiah?

Which one?

When I use the derogatory term, I'm referring to the buffoon currently living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Sounds a bit facist to Confinscate all their property

The price of treason is high, and should be.

You are a ronald reagan conservative

No, I'm a Libertarian. But your disdain for the greatest American president in the Twentieth Century is noted.

So you want a Corp decideing if you get a operation or not..

Hmm....faceless bureaucrats providing a vital service...or unelected faceless bureaucrats sucking on my blood.

Why do you prefer unelected faceless bureaucrats who cannot be fired and who do not face free market forces to compel them to provide services?

You're not stupid enough to trust your government, are you?

You sound to much like a Joe Republican to me...

You mean Joe Republican, who I've never met, is an American, like me.
 
Don't worry, it will be a blood bath in November.

Massachusetts

Bloodbath? Hardly. The GOP might pick up some seats in the House, I'll give you that. But bloodbath? Nah.

People are annoyed at the Dems because the Dems are in power. But don't mistake annoyance at the Dems with love for the Republicans.
 
Bloodbath? Hardly. The GOP might pick up some seats in the House, I'll give you that. But bloodbath? Nah.

People are annoyed at the Dems because the Dems are in power. But don't mistake annoyance at the Dems with love for the Republicans.

Absolutely.

The Democrats should not slow down their efforts to wreck the United States just because they lost a few special elections. Everyone still loves them and everything they're doing. If anything I want to see them push their agenda even harder, with more airtime for Nancy Pelosi, Joe "I Saw Avatar" Biden, Hairy Reid, and even the Messiah. The more the public gets to see of these people the better it will be for America.
 
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Bloodbath? Hardly. The GOP might pick up some seats in the House, I'll give you that. But bloodbath? Nah.

People are annoyed at the Dems because the Dems are in power. But don't mistake annoyance at the Dems with love for the Republicans.

Massachusetts.
 
Spending is out of control, government is too big....

Big Government can do some things very effectively, like wage war, or bail out corporations, keep the water flowing and the toilets clean... Big government is just a machine with many moving parts.

I think big politics and special interests are what's out of control.


Like i asked, are you anti-war? What did you think of those protesting?

I assume you mean those protesting a specific war or war in general... It would depend on the war/conflict.

First Gulf War - I fully supported it. We had UN authorization, a coalition of forces, with the expressed purpose of expelling Iraqi forces from Kuwait.

Afghanistan 2001 - fully supported it. It was an immediate, decisive and appropriate response to 9/11. We never should have divereted forces to Iraq until Bin Laden was captured.

Iraq - I supported the troops. Our Government made a decision to wage war in Iraq, while a disagreed with their justification for war, I fully supported the individuals being called on to serve. We sent books and VHS tapes to Iraq. I made a point to personally thank soldiers for their service. And I attended funeral masses for the fallen.


What did I think of those protesting? -- The far-left fringe, "Bush is the devil", those folks? Not much. Hyper-partisan, overly-emotional. But they were relatively few compared to the Tea Party, and overall very ineffectual seeing as Bush was re-elected.

Two big differences between the anti-war protest directed at Bush and the Tea Party protests directed at Obama.

1) The anti-war folks were protesting something that actually existed. We were involved in a war. The Tea Party folks come with these wild notions about Czars, Marxism, Death Panels -- their understanding of these things is not based in fact.

2) Size and scope of the protests.
 
No, only fools use the term "Reichwing".



Which one?

When I use the derogatory term, I'm referring to the buffoon currently living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Ahh thanks. Dems don't worship their leaders the way Repubs do their though, Dems simly call him Mr President.

The price of treason is high, and should be.



No, I'm a Libertarian. But your disdain for the greatest American president in the Twentieth Century is noted.

I have little to no disdain toward FDR

Hmm....faceless bureaucrats providing a vital service...or unelected faceless bureaucrats sucking on my blood.

Why do you prefer unelected faceless bureaucrats who cannot be fired and who do not face free market forces to compel them to provide services?
Corps are also faceless odd that you favor for a profit healthcare that will take money from you then tell you rather or not they will cover you
You're not stupid enough to trust your government, are you?

My Govt is of the people,by the people and for the people, had fore fathers fight and die to make it so

You mean Joe Republican, who I've never met, is an American, like me.

You never met Joe Republican??

A Day in the Life of Joe Republican

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
 
Big Government can do some things very effectively, like wage war, or bail out corporations, keep the water flowing and the toilets clean... Big government is just a machine with many moving parts.

I think big politics and special interests are what's out of control.


there is were your fundamental disagreement is with the tea party movement, and the founding ideals of this nation.


What did I think of those protesting? -- The far-left fringe, "Bush is the devil", those folks? Not much. Hyper-partisan, overly-emotional. But they were relatively few compared to the Tea Party, and overall very ineffectual seeing as Bush was re-elected.


Are you serious? how do you arrive at that. The protests were full of kooks. :lamo

Two big differences between the anti-war protest directed at Bush and the Tea Party protests directed at Obama.

1) The anti-war folks were protesting something that actually existed. We were involved in a war. The Tea Party folks come with these wild notions about Czars, Marxism, Death Panels -- their understanding of these things is not based in fact.

2) Size and scope of the protests.



incorrect again. Are you saying government spending is not out of control, there is no deficit?
 
Yup...........

Then your assumption flies in the face of decades of incumbent victories for over 90% of our Senators, including Kennedy. Ted Kennedy has been kicking the GOP's hind-parts in Massachusetts since 1962. That's 46 straight years of ass whuppings.

So your assumption seems to be based on "Hope", not facts.

Here's what Kennedy did to the last Republican to run against him. The districts in blue are the ones Kennedy won.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M...al_Election_Results_by_municipality,_2006.png

Massachusetts_Senatorial_Election_Results_by_municipality%2C_2006.png
 
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Then your assumption flies in the face of decades of incumbent victories for over 90% of our Senators, including Kennedy. Ted Kennedy has been kicking the GOP's hind-parts in Massachusetts since 1962. That's 46 straight years of ass whuppings.

So your assumption seems to be based on "Hope", not facts.

Here's what Kennedy did to the last Republican to run against him. The districts in blue are the ones Kennedy won.

File:Massachusetts Senatorial Election Results by municipality, 2006.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Massachusetts_Senatorial_Election_Results_by_municipality%2C_2006.png

The people of Massachusetts, overwhelmingly Democrat, just voted in a Republican.

It's going to be a blood bath in November, and the Democrats know it, and are terrified.
 
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The people of Massachusetts, overwhelmingly Democrat, just voted in a Republican.

It's going to be a blood bath in November.

Yep and McCain and Palin can't lose to a skinny black man in 08...oops :rofl:rofl
 
Yep and McCain and Palin can't lose to a skinny black man in 08...oops :rofl:rofl

I must have forgotten where I said that..... would you please link it?
 
incorrect again. Are you saying government spending is not out of control, there is no deficit?

I think we're getting caught up in semantics -- I'm saying big government or the Fed, the machine itself is not the problem -- it's the people running it, abusing it.

Misspending of tax revenue by both parties.
Ineffective regulations or inept/corrupt regulators.
Lack of congressional term limits.

"Big Government" is an overgeneralization.

Ineffective programs, inept agency directors/administrators, over-reaching legislation, poor oversight.

I can only deal in specifics.
 
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