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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Were these tea parties taking place before Obama was in the White House? I ask because I'm a fiscal conservative and a member of the Libertarian party. I don't remember any tea parties being mentioned before Obama. I certainly never saw any on the news.

    It seems these tea parties either sprung up after Obama won, or they have been around for awhile but never got any news coverage until Obama won.

    Am I correct in assuming that?




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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    the tea partiers are completely united on one issue---opposition to obama

    tea is taxed enough already, which pretty clearly states their disaffection with big govt, big spending and hi taxes

    but, to me, the idea of tea partiers trying to attract people of this or that stripe, attempting to portray themselves in this or that light, is very silly

    the movement is the definition, the embodiment of grassroots

    it's an EXPRESSION of strong feeling, so nascent, so from below, it lacks the wherewithal, the machinery, the leadership even to contemplate tactics

    tea is so grassroots, at least, up to now, it is the soul of sincerity

    it's losing a bit of its innocence this weekend in nashville

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    meanwhile, the party in power is imploding

    don't forget that part

    it's pretty important, in the big scheme

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

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    The original notion of protesting overspending by both Republicans and Democrats appealed to me. Expressing my discontent with polarized, partisan politics in D.C., the need for congressional term limits--all things I could get behind...

    But the first rally I went to in blue California last April had already been hijacked by far-right partisans and birthers. They didn't want to talk about common ground or bi-partisan efforts.

    This morning I heard Dick Armey:



    Diversity -- absolutely, maybe too much so.

    Tolerant -- hardly. Go to a Tea Party rally and tell them you're an independent who thinks the real problem is congress and special interests and not really the President.
    seems some are pissed that palin took a 100k, and the event is being run as a for profit event. palin says she'll donate it to the cause, in that case, why take it in the first place?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Were these tea parties taking place before Obama was in the White House? I ask because I'm a fiscal conservative and a member of the Libertarian party. I don't remember any tea parties being mentioned before Obama. I certainly never saw any on the news.

    It seems these tea parties either sprung up after Obama won, or they have been around for awhile but never got any news coverage until Obama won.

    Am I correct in assuming that?
    There were numerous "Tea Parties" by the Ron Paul grass roots movement prior to the election. They never received a large amount of coverage as they were not quite as wide scale as the one that happened on tax day and they were more directed in part towards a candidate AND his message rather than just a message. A candidate that essentially had little to no real shot at getting the nomination.

    Historically, people are more apt to protest when they are in the opposition. Not necessarily because they weren't upset about their side, but people are generally always more likely in politics to be MORE vocal when they're out of power because beyond that they're powerless. So as the Republicans lost power, Obama gained power, and Obama started doing many of the same things Bush did that made those people mad PLUS started doing more things that made them mad, the fervor of it and the spread of the movement increased. The detachment from the Ron Paul campaigned also likely helped increase it spread, and its coverage, as you began to move away from a mostly outlying candidate who was extremely polarizing within the base.

    What we have seen is these kind of movements are rife for the potential for crazies to latch on. At the beginning of the Tea Parties it was 9/11 truthers and people who believed the CFR was a clandestine group forging a world government to rule us all. In most recent time its Truthers and the Obama is a Nazi types.

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    **** Unless Term Limits is one of the pillars of this or any Conservative Movement it is doomed ...... and unfortunately some in leadership on the GOP/Conservative/Talk Radio side do not focus on this issue because they WANT a reliable agreeable establishment.

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There were numerous "Tea Parties" by the Ron Paul grass roots movement prior to the election. They never received a large amount of coverage as they were not quite as wide scale as the one that happened on tax day and they were more directed in part towards a candidate AND his message rather than just a message. A candidate that essentially had little to no real shot at getting the nomination.

    Historically, people are more apt to protest when they are in the opposition. Not necessarily because they weren't upset about their side, but people are generally always more likely in politics to be MORE vocal when they're out of power because beyond that they're powerless. So as the Republicans lost power, Obama gained power, and Obama started doing many of the same things Bush did that made those people mad PLUS started doing more things that made them mad, the fervor of it and the spread of the movement increased. The detachment from the Ron Paul campaigned also likely helped increase it spread, and its coverage, as you began to move away from a mostly outlying candidate who was extremely polarizing within the base.

    What we have seen is these kind of movements are rife for the potential for crazies to latch on. At the beginning of the Tea Parties it was 9/11 truthers and people who believed the CFR was a clandestine group forging a world government to rule us all. In most recent time its Truthers and the Obama is a Nazi types.
    So does anyone think the tea parties have run their course? Seems like it to me. Other than internet forums I rarely hear about them anymore. It seems they're fading into the sunset...
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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    So does anyone think the tea parties have run their course? Seems like it to me. Other than internet forums I rarely hear about them anymore. It seems they're fading into the sunset...
    Yes and no. While the wing nuts have definitely been drawn to it, as they are really on BOTH sides to any movement that begins to pick up steam, I think over all the Tea Party movement has been good for conservatives. Its put the focus primarily back on fiscal and governmental responsibility rather than strictly on Social conservatism as it had been the past 8 years. This does not mean there were not a number of problems with the movement, but ultimately it seems to have gotten a large section of the base to begin to have a more balanced approach to conservatism and if that ends up being the case...and ends up sticking...then in the end its a net win, wing nuts latching on or not.

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    So does anyone think the tea parties have run their course? Seems like it to me. Other than internet forums I rarely hear about them anymore. It seems they're fading into the sunset...
    the nashville convention is wall to wall cable, yesterday and today

    i'm surprised you haven't heard

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the nashville convention is wall to wall cable, yesterday and today

    i'm surprised you haven't heard
    Well they used to report on them in my local paper in Richmond. Plus I'd see them on TV every now and then. But I must confess, about 2 months ago I got Verizon Fios and a new TV. So now I get over a thousand freakin channels and I can't keep up with anything....
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