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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
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    And the change was NOT recent, trust me, the far-right social conservatives showed up last April...
    Its not SOCIAL Conservatives America needs to hear from. They serve no real purpose. its FISCAL Conservatives that are needed but sadly few excist anymore..save in name only( fakers).

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    We do need to take a large chunk off of our debt, but fiscal conservatism isn't a valid strategy anymore. The economic and military position occupied by the United States requires our government to borrow money, just like the Athenian, Roman, and British Empires; although the Athenians and to a lesser extent the Romans sort of appropriated rather than borrowed a lot of their budget.
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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    We do need to take a large chunk off of our debt, but fiscal conservatism isn't a valid strategy anymore. The economic and military position occupied by the United States requires our government to borrow money, just like the Athenian, Roman, and British Empires; although the Athenians and to a lesser extent the Romans sort of appropriated rather than borrowed a lot of their budget.
    What do you mean by the US "economic position"?

    We need to lessen our military position. That would lessen our debt.
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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    please forgive me again for imposing considerations of democratic party politics into this fine symposium on tea party problems...

    but, oh, such a day...

    first, the president conceded he might have to surrender on health care

    gosh, i wonder how rockefeller, wyden, schumer, woolsey, wiener, the progressives, the cbc and a hundred others are gonna take that

    in the gut, that's how

    Obama admits health care overhaul may die on Hill - Yahoo! News

    then we learned that once the cameras were turned off at the newseum funnyman franken tore into obama-by-proxy david axelrod

    and stuart smalley wasn't the only one

    the white house has provided no leadership on health care, franken fulminated

    it's not good enough, not smart enough, and doggone it, no one likes it

    all the white house's fault, fusses franken

    Franken lays into Ax over health bill - POLITICO.com Print View

    then india announced the un couldn't be trusted anymore when it comes to anything having to do with climate and so the second most populous nation on earth will have to rely on itself

    all this blatant lying and covering up, the emails and the himalayas, seem to have undermined appreciably that "ovewhelming scientific evidence in favor of global warming..."

    i mean, that's what THEY say

    we all know climate accords have been colder than killed for months

    but the piling on is still painful

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...ange-body.html

    next, china announced it was putting a new tariff on us chicken ("one of the few us industries that profitably exports to china")

    how inhospitable of hu

    and the timing, so telling, so following upon obama's empty pronouncement in his sotu to double exports in the next 5 years

    UPDATE 3-China to levy anti-dumping duties on US chicken | Reuters

    it's as if these rising superpowers are intent on embarrassing the skinny kid with the big ears, like they're doing it on purpose

    on tuesday a member of hu's foreign ministry said us-china relations have "deteriorated" under obama, citing conflicts over currency, the climate, trade, arms sales to taiwan and, most important to our putzy prez, sanctions against iran

    Chinese diplomat: Ties with US deteriorated recently - Israel News, Ynetnews

    finally, some news out of chicago, have you heard?

    the winner of tuesday's blue primary for lieutenant governor, it turns out, in 2005 beat up his prostitute girlfriend and held a knife to her throat

    scott lee cohen's ex wife also claims he was quite violent with her, attributing his mad rages to steroids

    the rub is---in lincoln land, gov and lt gov form one ticket

    http://www.wtkr.com/news/nationworld...,5358481.story

    can we call it a culture of corruption yet?

    rangel, murtha, geithner, blago, burris, dodd, frank, holder...

    the knife wielding wife beater from chitown

    too much, no?

    thanks for listening

    enjoy your tea
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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    please forgive me again for imposing considerations of democratic party politics into this fine symposium on tea party problems...

    but, oh, such a day...

    first, the president conceded he might have to surrender on health care

    gosh, i wonder how rockefeller, wyden, schumer, woolsey, wiener, the progressives, the cbc and a hundred others are gonna take that

    in the gut, that's how

    Obama admits health care overhaul may die on Hill - Yahoo! News

    then we learned that once the cameras were turned off at the newseum funnyman franken tore into obama-by-proxy david axelrod

    and stuart smalley wasn't the only one

    the white house has provided no leadership on health care, franken fulminated

    it's not good enough, not smart enough, and doggone it, no one likes it

    all the white house's fault, fusses franken

    Franken lays into Ax over health bill - POLITICO.com Print View

    then india announced the un couldn't be trusted anymore when it comes to anything having to do with climate and so the second most populous nation on earth will have to rely on itself

    all this blatant lying and covering up, the emails and the himalayas, seem to have undermined appreciably that "ovewhelming scientific evidence in favor of global warming..."

    i mean, that's what THEY say

    we all know climate accords have been colder than killed for months

    but the piling on is still painful

    India forms new climate change body - Telegraph

    next, china announced it was putting a new tariff on us chicken ("one of the few us industries that profitably exports to china")

    how inhospitable of hu

    and the timing, so telling, so following upon obama's empty pronouncement in his sotu to double exports in the next 5 years

    UPDATE 3-China to levy anti-dumping duties on US chicken | Reuters

    it's as if these rising superpowers are intent on embarrasing the skinny kid with the big ears, like they're doing it on purpose

    on tuesday a member of hu's foreign ministry said us-china relations have "deteriorated" under obama, citing conflicts over currency, the climate, trade, arms sales to taiwan and, most important to our putzy prez, sanctions against iran

    Chinese diplomat: Ties with US deteriorated recently - Israel News, Ynetnews

    finally, some news out of chicago, have you heard?

    the winner of tuesday's blue primary for lieutenant governor, it turns out, in 2005 beat up his prostitute girlfriend and held a knife to her throat

    scott lee cohen's ex wife also claims he was quite violent with her, attributing his mad rages to steroids

    the rub is---in lincoln land, gov and lt gov form one ticket

    Ill. Lt. governor nominee denies holding knife to girlfriend's neck, admits past steroid use - WTKR

    can we call it a culture of corruption yet?

    rangel, murtha, geithner, blago, burris, dodd, frank, holder...

    the knife wielding wife beater from chitown

    too much, no?

    thanks for listening

    enjoy your tea

    None of that has anything to do with the topic of this thread. It's just you whining about the Democrats. If you want to start a thread about that please go do so.

    Also feel free to start a thread of ideas for improving the GOP.
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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    the party in power is committing suicide

    self destruction fast, dramatic and on every tv screen

    that aint whining

    opposition, politically, needs little improvement

    all it needs do is oppose

    sorry

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Funny, when FOX was promoting the first big event, they were saying it was going to be mix of people from all parties.
    FOX didn't organize the event. Who the **** cares what they say about it?

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    Weak attempt at a deflection on your part. The story is far from a story but accurate. Repubs claim they have earned where they are on their own..lie...Repubs are among the biggest leeches of tax dollars there are..
    It is a made-up chain email. It proves nothing. That's why I pointed and laughed at it.

    Post something non-fiction if you would like to be taken seriously.

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Funny, when FOX was promoting the first big event, they were saying it was going to be mix of people from all parties.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I can only speak of the two Tea Parties I went to..... there were Conservatives, Libertarians, and Liberals at those functions, not just "Reich-Wing Nut Jobs".... they were truly bi-partisan gatherings.
    There is a difference between an event being something that draws people from multiple parties, and pushing "Bi-partisan" efforts and legislation.

    The Tea Parties originated, in part, as something beyond political party. However, the IDEOLOGY of it was clearly, and fully, staunchly conservative. There is no if's, and's, or but's about that. It wasn't "moderate", it wasn't "attempting to bridge bipartisan views of liberals and conservatives". It was conservatism that was being pushed.

    The goal, and the theory though, was that the majority of this country is conservative, or conservative leaning, and that there are both moderate conservatives in the democratic party and libertarian conservatives in the Libertarian party that could be attracted to a traditionalist conservative message such as low taxes, strong fiscal responsibility, and small government.

    This was not "low taxes on everyone but the rich". This was not "Strong fiscal responsibility, but keeping entitlements". This wasn't "Small government by decreasing the military but keeping social services large".

    It was "bi-partisan", in regards to PARTIES, in that it did have members from multiple parties there. But ideology wise, it was most distinctly not bipartisan in philosophy. It was decisively right wing.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Funny, when FOX was promoting the first big event, they were saying it was going to be mix of people from all parties.
    Which shows the hilarious notion of this. Tea Parties were going on well before Fox began promoting the movement. And early on they were definitely a mix of people...but the MESSAGE and philosophy behind it was not bipartisan in philosophy, even if it was in the type of people present to support it.

    And yes, the initial idea was to demand Government work for US and not for themselves. Solve the problems with less politicking and more bi-partisan effort. That's how it was sold and promoted to me.
    Then apparently you got sold it far different than most everyone I've heard talk about it, outside of a few liberals that magically seem to claim that right before bashing the entire movement and everyone in it with broadscale generalizations.

    I've never once saw it pushed across for "less politicking and more bi-partisan" effort. I did not ever hear it pushed across as a movement trying to get politicians to be moderates, or come together to compromise on issues, or other things associated with bi-partisanship. It was sold as staunch, traditionalist, conservatism with the idea that there are democrats, libertarians, and republicans that could all get on board with a traditional fiscal and governmental conservative message.

    Getting Democrats to agree with Republicans by being conservative isn't "Bipartisanship", that's turning them onto conservatism. This is incredibly different than "Bipartisan" as its routinely used in politics today which is either referring to "moderate" legislation or compromised legislation that gives a bit to both sides.

    Maybe behind the scenes, but the initial events were promoted as bi-partisan--people from different parties invited to come together to demand government accountability on spending of tax revenue.
    Yes, the spending of said revenue on things like the Bail Outs done by both Bush and Obama because they were anti-conservative ideology. Yes, in regards to the potential threats of raising of taxes, because that is anti-conservative ideology. Yes on the increase of the size and scope of government and power of politicians, because that is anti-conservative ideology.

    Getting Democrats to agree with Republicans through the use of a conservative message isn't bipartisanship, that's essentially conversion or winning them over to the other side.

    Maybe I am misundestanding you and your use of bipartisan, but the way you use it followed by HOW you describe it just is not how I ever heard the tea parties talked about. Bipartisan in the make up of those there? Perhaps. Bipartisan in the style and philosophy of what was being promoted? Not at all.

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Were these tea parties taking place before Obama was in the White House? I ask because I'm a fiscal conservative and a member of the Libertarian party. I don't remember any tea parties being mentioned before Obama. I certainly never saw any on the news.

    It seems these tea parties either sprung up after Obama won, or they have been around for awhile but never got any news coverage until Obama won.

    Am I correct in assuming that?
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