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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Well, good luck defining the moderate position. In my book it is a practical, non-ideological position that borrows solutions from both the left and the right. It is solutions-based, not ideologically driven, since ideology is the problem.

    Your metaphors are meaningless. The moderate position is not like quicksand or castles in the sky. It is flexible and NOT excessive.

    Personally, I am a strict constitutionalist, intend to delegate entitlement spending to the states and want a non-progressive tax system that is pro-business.

    Does that address your "concerns"?
    Amen! Except for the non progressive part. A 26 year old who is 6'11 and makes $25,000,000 a year (having fun) benefits from our system more so than a 50 year old man with 3 children (who want to go to college) making $250,000.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    From what I have read about the Reform Party and its destruction was when Buchanan got on board his allies tried to turn it into a Paleoconservative party. The Party was supposed to be a Populist one and the original founders didnt like that.
    That's exactly what I am saying. When Perot started the reform party there were a lot of good people that had good ideas that were inspired and wanted to join believing that it was for the good of the country.
    However after a couple of years, the party fizzled into a party of extreme wingnuts....Buchanon being the perfect example.
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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Amen! Except for the non progressive part. A 26 year old who is 6'11 and makes $25,000,000 a year (having fun) benefits from our system more so than a 50 year old man with 3 children (who want to go to college) making $250,000.
    The 26 year old does not benefit more from government services. He earns more based on his talents and abilities. He should not have to pay a higher percentage. They should both pay the same percentage. That's equitable.

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    But the first rally I went to in blue California last April had already been hijacked by far-right partisans and birthers. They didn't want to talk about common ground or bi-partisan efforts.
    This is what instantly raised my "BS" alert.

    Even when the Tea Party movement was almost primarily the "Ron Paul" types it was never about Bi-partisan efforts. Not at all.

    Being upset with Republicans because they're not conservative enough isn't being "Bi-partisan", its being staunchly conservative but not mindlessly party driven.

    The Tea Party Movement from its inception was FAR from bi-partisan, it was ALWAYS staunchly conservative. The change has been recently that there has been an influx of social conservatives, turning it away from an almost primarily fiscal and size of government type platform, and an influx of hyper partisan REPUBLICANS, not necessarily conservatives, who simply see it as a method to push their partisan political agenda rather than the principles of Conservatism.

    But bi-partisanship, it was never about.

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This is what instantly raised my "BS" alert.

    Even when the Tea Party movement was almost primarily the "Ron Paul" types it was never about Bi-partisan efforts. Not at all.
    Funny, when FOX was promoting the first big event, they were saying it was going to be mix of people from all parties.

    And yes, the initial idea was to demand Government work for US and not for themselves. Solve the problems with less politicking and more bi-partisan effort. That's how it was sold and promoted to me.


    The Tea Party Movement from its inception was FAR from bi-partisan, it was ALWAYS staunchly conservative. The change has been recently that there has been an influx of social conservatives, turning it away from an almost primarily fiscal and size of government type platform, and an influx of hyper partisan REPUBLICANS, not necessarily conservatives, who simply see it as a method to push their partisan political agenda rather than the principles of Conservatism.

    But bi-partisanship, it was never about.
    Maybe behind the scenes, but the initial events were promoted as bi-partisan--people from different parties invited to come together to demand government accountability on spending of tax revenue.

    And the change was NOT recent, trust me, the far-right social conservatives showed up last April...

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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You must really fear the Tea Party movement.
    Th Tea Party is just like any other political movement, common ideas for the most part with areas of disagreement on others.
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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    The problem with social/political movements is it's very easy for them to be hijacked (or appear to be hijacked in the eyes of everyone else) by a small cabal of vocal radicals. Radicals can turn the movement away from it's original ideals towards what they want, causing disenchantment among some participants, and giving the movement less credibility in the eyes of the public.
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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This is what instantly raised my "BS" alert.

    Even when the Tea Party movement was almost primarily the "Ron Paul" types it was never about Bi-partisan efforts. Not at all.

    Being upset with Republicans because they're not conservative enough isn't being "Bi-partisan", its being staunchly conservative but not mindlessly party driven.

    The Tea Party Movement from its inception was FAR from bi-partisan, it was ALWAYS staunchly conservative. The change has been recently that there has been an influx of social conservatives, turning it away from an almost primarily fiscal and size of government type platform, and an influx of hyper partisan REPUBLICANS, not necessarily conservatives, who simply see it as a method to push their partisan political agenda rather than the principles of Conservatism.

    But bi-partisanship, it was never about.
    I can only speak of the two Tea Parties I went to..... there were Conservatives, Libertarians, and Liberals at those functions, not just "Reich-Wing Nut Jobs".... they were truly bi-partisan gatherings.
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    Re: Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Chain-mail wisdom ... just can't beat that.
    Weak attempt at a deflection on your part. The story is far from a story but accurate. Repubs claim they have earned where they are on their own..lie...Repubs are among the biggest leeches of tax dollars there are..

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