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    Re: Many children taken by Americans not orphans

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    Re: Many children taken by Americans not orphans

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    Have some loyalty to your fellow-Americans. As if the Haitians are so squeaky clean. Like I said if they would have given them a few extra bucks we probably wouldn't have even seen this story.
    Yeah! Have some loyalty to your fellow Americans and the American way of life... bribe the s**t out of them!
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    Re: Many children taken by Americans not orphans

    It doesn't seem like kidnapping to me, since the parents were giving their children away voluntarily. It does seem shady though.

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    Re: Many children taken by Americans not orphans

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    In the words of the great Jack McFarlane: H.I.Larious!!! I'm with you bro'. How dare they? Surely 33 kids is a small price to pay for all them blankets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    Have some loyalty to your fellow-Americans. As if the Haitians are so squeaky clean. Like I said if they would have given them a few extra bucks we probably wouldn't have even seen this story.
    Pray tell whos side where you on back in the 90s when Signapore arrested that US kid for being a vandal and Signapore beat him with a cane.
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    Re: Many children taken by Americans not orphans

    There's an easy equivalency here. If the same church group showed up in New Orleans after Katrina, how would they be judged for trying to pull the same crap? I think the answer is clear - in that case, as many people think in the Haiti situation, rendering aid in the form of "adoption" was an extreme response and skipped past many less complicated and more direct forms of aid.

    If anyone had found an "orphaned" kid after Katrina, the notion that the proper response should have been to smuggle them out of the state without proper paperwork so they could be offered up for adoption privately would have been laughed out of the courtroom. Everyone would have recognized it as a kidnapping/trafficing attempt, or at the least, a series of broken laws.

    And it appears several journalists are beginning to take a second look at this group's leader, one Laura Silsby. It's beginning to look like the "rescue" group, as well as the Haitians and Dominicans were being duped by this woman:

    "Laura Silsby is incredibly good at getting enormous sums of money from people. 10 years good at it. She has probably smooth talked these poor people and now they're stuck in jail with her." The New York Times this afternoon quotes Edwin Coq, the Baptist's lawyer, stating that 9 of his 10 clients were “completely innocent,” but that, in an apparent reference to Ms. Silsby, “if the judiciary were to keep one, it could be the leader of the group.”

    --snip--

    When the story first broke last week, Silsby, 40, of Boise, Idaho, claimed she didn't realize collecting and transporting 33 Haitian children (turns out some weren't even orphans) across the border into the Dominican Republic would cause a ruckus, that she didn't realize she needed permission from the Haitian government.

    A sensible person cannot claim ignorance in this situation. Especially one like Silsby with enough business savvy to have been named the 2006 International Businesswoman of the Year.
    Baptists Charged, former Silsby employee saw it coming - Akopsa - Open Salon

    and this:

    The Idaho woman who led a group of 10 Baptists on a mission to help children in Haiti admits to failing to obtain paperwork needed to move 33 children to the Dominican Republic.

    But even before Laura L. Silsby and seven other Idahoans ended up in a Haitian jail accused of trafficking in children, Silsby had a history of failing to pay debts, failing to pay her employees and failing even to follow Idaho laws.

    Silsby has been the subject of eight civil lawsuits and 14 unpaid wage claims. The $358,000 Meridian house at which she founded her nonprofit New Life Children's Refuge in November was foreclosed upon in December. A check of Silsby's driving record revealed at least nine traffic citations since 1997, including four for failing to provide insurance or register annually.
    Laura Silsby, a local missionary to Haiti, left trail of financial woes in Idaho | Eyepiece | Idaho Statesman

    All in all, it seems likely that Silsby saw an opportunity to make some fairly quick money - it's reported elsewhere that people were willing to pay upwards of $30,000 per child to adopt a Haitian "orphan". And with 33 kids in tow when they were caught trying to cross the border, that would have garnered her about $1 million gross, in 60 to 90 days, with the promise of even more to come.

    Release the missionaries, if you must. They were most likely unwitting accomplices of this woman. But Silsby appears to be nothing more than a con-artist and crook. She needs to take the brunt of whatever legal action that Haiti decides is appropriate.
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    Re: Many children taken by Americans not orphans

    Kidnapping is a very serious offense in the USA. Why would we think other nations would not view it as such?
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    Re: Many children taken by Americans not orphans

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Kidnapping is a very serious offense in the USA. Why would we think other nations would not view it as such?
    Because these are Americans and Christian of course!...


    That was after all the mantra being promoted by the backers of these criminal on day on these boards when when I and a few others called them for what they were .. child traffickers at worst, brain dead at best, but never the less they broke the law.
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    Re: Many children taken by Americans not orphans

    Quote Originally Posted by NiteGuy View Post
    There's an easy equivalency here. If the same church group showed up in New Orleans after Katrina, how would they be judged for trying to pull the same crap? I think the answer is clear - in that case, as many people think in the Haiti situation, rendering aid in the form of "adoption" was an extreme response and skipped past many less complicated and more direct forms of aid.

    If anyone had found an "orphaned" kid after Katrina, the notion that the proper response should have been to smuggle them out of the state without proper paperwork so they could be offered up for adoption privately would have been laughed out of the courtroom. Everyone would have recognized it as a kidnapping/trafficing attempt, or at the least, a series of broken laws.

    And it appears several journalists are beginning to take a second look at this group's leader, one Laura Silsby. It's beginning to look like the "rescue" group, as well as the Haitians and Dominicans were being duped by this woman:


    Baptists Charged, former Silsby employee saw it coming - Akopsa - Open Salon

    and this:


    Laura Silsby, a local missionary to Haiti, left trail of financial woes in Idaho | Eyepiece | Idaho Statesman

    All in all, it seems likely that Silsby saw an opportunity to make some fairly quick money - it's reported elsewhere that people were willing to pay upwards of $30,000 per child to adopt a Haitian "orphan". And with 33 kids in tow when they were caught trying to cross the border, that would have garnered her about $1 million gross, in 60 to 90 days, with the promise of even more to come.

    Release the missionaries, if you must. They were most likely unwitting accomplices of this woman. But Silsby appears to be nothing more than a con-artist and crook. She needs to take the brunt of whatever legal action that Haiti decides is appropriate.
    hoorah. i think you are exactly right.

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    Re: Many children taken by Americans not orphans

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Many children in Haiti case are not orphans - Haiti earthquake- msnbc.com

    update: what do you think of this? i think these missionaries have gone too far.
    I believe they are being over zealous,they should wait until everything settles down and see if these childrens parents are alive first before wanting to rush them off to some orphanage and get the permission of the government. Better yet they should open a orphanage down in Haiti(just nothing over two stories high) and appeal churches in the US to donate food and other things to help the kids out.

    .Whether or not there are ulterior motives time will have to tell.IF these people are not who they say they are and turn out to be sex traffickers,slavers or something else just as worse then they should be executed
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    Re: Many children taken by Americans not orphans

    I have a hunch that Laura Silsby is a traveler. An Irish grifter that infiltrated a Baptist missionary group.

    She hoped to traffic children under the guise of being a missionary. Unfortunately, the others become guilty by association.
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