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McCain appears to shift on 'don't ask, don't tell'

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McCain appears to shift on 'don't ask, don't tell'

Three years ago, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was pretty clear about his stand on the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy. A former war hero, McCain said he would support ending the ban once the military's top brass told him that they agreed with the change.

"The day that the leadership of the military comes to me and says, 'Senator, we ought to change the policy,' then I think we ought to consider seriously changing it," McCain said in October 2006 to an audience of Iowa State University students.

That day arrived Tuesday, with Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen testifying to senators after President Obama's announcement that he would seek a congressional repeal of the 15-year-old policy.

Mullen called repealing the policy, which bans openly gay men and lesbians from serving, "the right thing to do" and said he was personally troubled by effectively forcing service members to "lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens."

Gates told the Armed Services Committee, "I fully support the president's decision."

In response, McCain declared himself "disappointed" in the testimony. "At this moment of immense hardship for our armed services, we should not be seeking to overturn the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy," he said bluntly, before describing it as "imperfect but effective."

Since losing to Obama in the 2008 election, McCain has become a consistent critic of the president. He also has, for the first time in years, a serious primary fight on his hands.

McCain spokeswoman Brooke Buchanan said her boss has not shifted his position.

She noted that Mullen said repeatedly that he was speaking for himself and not for the military, and she dismissed Gates's testimony because he was expressing the Obama administration's line.

"There has to be a determination from our military leaders that they think it is a good idea to change the policy; then, of course, Senator McCain will listen to them."

I suppose ignoring/denying one's own words and convictions could be considered "mavericky." ;)

I wonder if McCain's growing battle for his Congressional seat has anything to do with it?
 
That's not a shift - that's him being as he always has been when it comes to military policies: favoring the majority opinion. If he changes his mind because he believes in favoring the majority opinion in the military then that's great.

I like him for this quality - many politicians don't ever reconsider their stance.

at least McCain puts the decisions where they should be - in the hands of those who impliment and make the rules and run the show.
 
That's not a shift - that's him being as he always has been when it comes to military policies: favoring the majority opinion. If he changes his mind because he believes in favoring the majority opinion in the military then that's great.

I like him for this quality - many politicians don't ever reconsider their stance.

at least McCain puts the decisions where they should be - in the hands of those who impliment and make the rules and run the show.
and that's just bullcrap. in fact, :rofl

do the majority agree with don't ask don't tell?
 
LOL - I meant to say that's not a "bad" shift.

I gotta stop posting, today - I'm all thumbs.
 
and that's just bullcrap. in fact, :rofl

do the majority agree with don't ask don't tell?

My husband and countless others I know have no problems with it - they are beginning ot see that it's more trouble than it's worth and just removes good soldiers from the field while keeping the crappy ones around.
 
LOL - I meant to say that's not a "bad" shift.

I gotta stop posting, today - I'm all thumbs.

Keep posting away, we all have days like that.
 
My husband and countless others I know have no problems with it - they are beginning ot see that it's more trouble than it's worth and just removes good soldiers from the field while keeping the crappy ones around.
i think you've misunderstood what mccain has done here, then. he's AGAINST abolishing DADT, he's flipflopped, and not for the majority of the military. in other words, he's campaigning.
 
You're right - I did misread! :3oops:

Today is not my day!
 
McCain learned an important lesson in 2008, which is that he needs the support of the far right. This is an important issue to many of the far right, hence I suspect his comments.
 
I suppose ignoring/denying one's own words and convictions could be considered "mavericky." ;)

I wonder if McCain's growing battle for his Congressional seat has anything to do with it?

No, more like this is McCain, and why he didn't inspire the Conservative base. Not this issue, but his inability to stick to his guns, to hold to his principles, to be someone that could be trusted.

His stance changes with the winds.
 
An elected official needs to make clear their beliefs on issues. More importantly they need to represent his/her constituents by listening to what they want or believe. Hence a good elected official will be flexible on issues and may vote differently that what they personally believe in. At least, IMO, is the way things should work. McCain is a good politician and honorable man. Since he represents people of Arizona, what really matters is what we think of him.
 
McCain has no integrity. He started catering to the radical right during the GOP primaries because he saw that as his in.
Now he is again catering to the far right in order to fight against a challenge by a far right challenger.

McCain will say whatever he feels he has to say to be popular. The man has no integrity.
 
McCain has no integrity. He started catering to the radical right during the GOP primaries because he saw that as his in.
Now he is again catering to the far right in order to fight against a challenge by a far right challenger.

McCain will say whatever he feels he has to say to be popular. The man has no integrity.

That is your opinion and your entitled to it. Since your in CA, you must be proud of officials like Feinstien and Pelosi. guess they would never pander to the left to get elected?
 
No, more like this is McCain, and why he didn't inspire the Conservative base. Not this issue, but his inability to stick to his guns, to hold to his principles, to be someone that could be trusted.

His stance changes with the winds.

If he didn't inspire the conservative base then why did they elect him in the primaries to run for President?
 
McCain has no integrity. He started catering to the radical right during the GOP primaries because he saw that as his in.
Now he is again catering to the far right in order to fight against a challenge by a far right challenger.

McCain will say whatever he feels he has to say to be popular. The man has no integrity.

There are lots of conservatives in this country, this forum, and even right here in this thread that believe McCain was not conservative enough and lost the votes of the far right. Apparently the far right wasn't excited enough to get out and vote for McCain.

So I wonder which one it is? Was McCain too far right or not far enough?
 
I suppose ignoring/denying one's own words and convictions could be considered "mavericky." ;)

I wonder if McCain's growing battle for his Congressional seat has anything to do with it?

Ah, you noticed that too! Well of course to be a good Republican these days he has to mutate into the base expectations of what a Republican must represent.
 
If he didn't inspire the conservative base then why did they elect him in the primaries to run for President?

He was the best they had to offer. And the field isn't looking too much better for 2012. Maybe Cosmo boy will be pushed forward. Yeahhh, Cosmo Boy and the Barracuda! :2rofll:
 
He was the best they had to offer. And the field isn't looking too much better for 2012. Maybe Cosmo boy will be pushed forward. Yeahhh, Cosmo Boy and the Barracuda! :2rofll:

I just don't understand the republican voters complaints about McCain. THEY elected him to run. They had Huckabee, Ron Paul, Romney... I'm not saying they're great choices, but Huckabee and Paul were much more conservative choices than McCain. Especially a fiscal conservative like Paul.

Some repubs say McCain is a RINO and that's why he lost. He's not conservative enough. Yet when they had a chance to vote for someone else they didn't. They elected McCain.
 
The new law will be called I KNOW NUTTINK, I SEE NUTTINK.
 
That is your opinion and your entitled to it. Since your in CA, you must be proud of officials like Feinstien and Pelosi. guess they would never pander to the left to get elected?

Feinstein and Pelosi have never pretended to be anything that they are not.

McCain on the otherhand....flip flops right and left depending on where the political barometer is....
 
There are lots of conservatives in this country, this forum, and even right here in this thread that believe McCain was not conservative enough and lost the votes of the far right. Apparently the far right wasn't excited enough to get out and vote for McCain.

So I wonder which one it is? Was McCain too far right or not far enough?

Depends on which McCain you are talking about. During the primaries he pandered to the religious right....then tried to play to the center during the election.
McCain is the perfect example of a lifetime politician.
 
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