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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I can't believe that nobody in this thread gets it.

    The Premier of Newfoundland is a robot.

    He's returning home for a routine maintenance procedure.

    If you think that's absurd, ask yourself how many of the people spanking on Canada's health care this thread:
    • Could put their finger on Newfoundland on an unmarked globe if someone put a gun to their head
    • Could name the Premier of NL even five minutes after reading this thread


    Yeah, that's right, he's a robot!
    Yup, soo many of the American conservatives who love to comment on Canadian health care don't actually know much of anything about my country. It's kinda sad!
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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Yup, soo many of the American conservatives who love to comment on Canadian health care don't actually know much of anything about my country. It's kinda sad!
    Oh, don't feel so bad. Americans (in general) like do that with everybody else's business.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Oh, don't feel so bad. Americans (in general) like do that with everybody else's business.
    True, at least people like you realize what the rest of us have to put up with.
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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    So he's rich enough to go for the best treatment available.

    Where is the story?

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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    The US healthcare system may not be the best, but we have the highest quality in the world. Cancer patients live and survive longer in the US than in any other nation on earth. We are also a leading nation when it comes to research and the quality of care is superior. I do support some form of universal healthcare (definitely not what the Dems or most European nations have). But still, when compared to quality America is #1.

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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The US healthcare system may not be the best, but we have the highest quality in the world. Cancer patients live and survive longer in the US than in any other nation on earth.
    The devil is in the details.
    That figure is based on the successful treatment of cancer. However not all cases in the US recieve treatment. In countries with UHC, all cases recieve treatment regardless. As a result those with the worst prognosis may throw the figures.
    Secondly, that is only one area where there is a marked difference.


    We are also a leading nation when it comes to research and the quality of care is superior. I do support some form of universal healthcare (definitely not what the Dems or most European nations have). But still, when compared to quality America is #1.
    The problem isn't the quality, it's the access.

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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    The devil is in the details.
    That figure is based on the successful treatment of cancer. However not all cases in the US recieve treatment. In countries with UHC, all cases recieve treatment regardless. As a result those with the worst prognosis may throw the figures.
    Secondly, that is only one area where there is a marked difference.



    The problem isn't the quality, it's the access.
    I don't know of many people that don't receive treatment. It's illegal to not treat someone because of their income. My grandfather has multiple miloma. He is a retired man and has had experimental treatments that saved his life. They predicted he had 6 months to live, and that has turned into about 8 years (if I remember right), he is still in complete remission too. Healthcare is very expensive and that definitely needs to be fixed, but usually for the poor there is programs available that will pay for their treatments.

    And I know it is just one area, but it reflects on the other areas. We are one of the leading medical research nations on earth, and I'm sure in other areas we have high survival rates compared to other nations. What I am arguing is that the US has the greatest quality of care. I will have to agree that it is way too expensive (especially medicine). In nations with universal healthcare there is rationing and the waits for treatments are so long that people die waiting for their surgeries and treatments. With things like cancer you can't wait, it must be treated quickly if you are to survive.

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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Yup, soo many of the American conservatives who love to comment on Canadian health care don't actually know much of anything about my country. It's kinda sad!
    Heck, they don't know much about their own country either, so I wouldn't be too insulted!

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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't know of many people that don't receive treatment.
    When my wife's cancer was first discovered, I had no health care. Our doctor told us we needed $10,000 up front. We then begged and pleaded with all of our relatives and about three months later were able to have the operation done 500 miles away from where we lived, thanks to family who also couldn't really afford it either -- and in the meantime, the cancerous tumor kept growing.

    My personal experience with American health care seems to be in direct opposition to your cheery rose-glasses view. And there are many other horror stories like that all over.

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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

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    Why do you think the premier is choosing to seek care in America?

    If we had universal care, then where would the poor man go? India?
    Because it is an individual choice and people choose the DUMMEST reasons for the hospital they want. I work in health care and I have heard some of the following

    That is the only hospital my doctor goes to
    They have nice food (yeah well you will be having gut surgery and Nil by mouth almost the entire time but enjoy!)
    Better class of people
    But I like the decor there (yeah but I have seen the resus trolley and you would stand a better chance out at Thargarmindah!
    I can get a private room (but that means you will not have the oversight you get in shared rooms)

    Best health care is actually LAST on most people's list
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