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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Because:

    And said expert is in the U.S.
    Canada doesn't have any heart surgeons?
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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    I happened across this article whilst Googling the subject.

    People from Saskatchewan may soon be coming to British Columbia for surgery, if negotiations between the two provincial governments are successful.

    B.C.'s health minister, Kevin Falcon, said selling surgeries will bring money into B.C.'s system and help British Columbians get care sooner. But New Democratic Party health critic, Adrian Dix, said the plan makes no sense when health authorities are already cancelling surgeries for British Columbians.

    "We'd obviously have to do the homework on how we would do it," said Falcon. "The principle would be that we'd charge a premium for the service that would allow us to not only cover our costs but use the additional revenues to then allow British Columbians to get their procedures done sooner and quicker." The Tyee reported Monday on the plan, after the Canadian Press reported that Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall mentioned it. "If people have been waiting for 15 months, do they care if [their surgery] happens in Saskatoon, Regina or Surrey? I'm not sure they do," the story quoted Wall saying.

    Close to an agreement

    Discussions are in "early stages," Falcon said, but added the two provinces are close to signing a memorandum of understanding that would have 400 orthopaedic surgeries done for people from Saskatchewan in British Columbia's public hospitals over two years.

    He identified the UBC Centre for Surgical Innovation and St. Paul's Hospital as places which could likely be used for the plan.

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    Across the province, there are 15,000 people waiting for orthopaedic surgery, Dix said. The figure is confirmed on the province's waitlist website.

    "They cancel 10,000 surgeries for us and they offer up those surgeries to people in Saskatchewan," said Dix. "When you offer up spaces to people from other provinces, then those are spaces that could and should be taken by the people who paid for those hospitals, paid for those operating rooms, paid for that capacity, and that's the people of British Columbia."

    Dix disagreed with Falcon's assertion that people from B.C. will still be given priority in B.C. hospitals. "He's clearly wrong," he said. "They're not taking precedence. How do we know they're not taking precedence? Because he's cancelling surgeries for British Columbians and offering them to people in Saskatchewan."

    Record levels of surgery: Falcon

    Falcon said it is "nonsense" to say offering surgeries to people from other provinces is only possible because of the cancellations. "We will still be undertaking record levels of surgical procedures in British Columbia," he said.

    Falcon said the B.C. government has reduced surgical wait times since 2001. The median wait for a knee replacement in 2001-2002 was 25.4 weeks, according to a chart provided by a ministry official. By 2008-2009 that was down to 13 weeks. The wait time for hip replacements decreased over the same period from 18.7 weeks to 10 weeks.

    Similarly, Falcon said, the number of hip and knee replacements done in the province has doubled over the same period.

    Bringing in people from Saskatchewan won't slow access to surgery for British Columbian's, he said. "Obviously I wouldn't do it if it was going to slow down the wait list."

    Offering surgical spaces for sale while British Columbians are waiting is a bad precedent for public health care, said Dix. "The order of surgery in our public hospitals should be based on medical need. That has always been the abiding principle in British Columbia, until perhaps the Falcon era."

    As the NDP's John Horgan, MLA for Juan de Fuca, put it in question period, "Only in Liberal bizarro world would cancelled surgeries be good news for British Columbians. George Orwell would be proud of the minister for that remark."

    The Tyee ? Province Wants to Sell Surgeries to Saskatchewan
    So from this article it looks like one cannot get non-emergency surgery in another province.
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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Canada doesn't have any heart surgeons?
    Apparently not of the quality he wanted.
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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Apparently not of the quality he wanted.
    Or more likely he didn't want to be on the wait list.
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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Look, the only time some Americans give a **** about Canada is when something happens here that helps their point of view!
    yup

    The rest of the time they probably don't care and likely don't know much about this country.

    nope

    Right-wingers who are opposed to government health care cherry pick the bad stuff, or downsides, and ignore all the good things about Canada's universal health care system.
    This isn't cherry picking. This is delicious hypocrisy.

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    Then move

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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Yes, you complain better.
    There's enough whining going on in this forum by Americans that tells me otherwise.

    No, you sent Jim Carry here. That's not dealing with your problems. Its exporting them.
    Complete non sequitur, fail.
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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    There's enough whining going on in this forum by Americans that tells me otherwise.

    Complete non sequitur, fail.
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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why not go to another province?
    My best guess is because it is an experimental procedure that Health Canada hasn't approved yet or it isn't performed by many people outside of the expert he's seeing.
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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    A part of the article that should have been bolded but conveniently wasn't:

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    "He has gone to a renowned expert in the procedure that he needs to have done," said Ms. Dunderdale, who will become acting premier while Mr. Williams is away for three to 12 weeks.
    He is choosing the best known doctor in the field, and that doctor is in the U.S., a place where Canada's UHC has no reach. He's not going there because Canada lacks the surgeons, the health care, or the resources; he's going to the person he thinks will give him the best chance of survival. It's all any of us would do in his shoes.

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    Re: NL Premier Williams Set to Have Heart Surgery in US

    "It was never an option offered to him to have this procedure done in this province," said Ms. Dunderdale, refusing to answer whether the procedure could be done elsewhere in Canada.

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