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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

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    We've never taken as serious the blatherings from across the pond, Pete! Nothing personal, we already declared independence, we already altered and changed the course of history, we've learned all we can from our Euro neighbors. We appreciate the take under wing approach, we'll handle things from here, thanks.
    What does that have to do with anything? Nothing? Got it.
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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    I think the right-wing is so up in arms over this because they are afraid that if gays are allowed to serve openly in the military, people who may not otherwise be exposed to gay people will....and will see that they are just normal people with the same hopes and dreams as anyone else. They will learn to not be afraid of gay people. Fear is the only card that the right-wing has left in their crusade against rights for gay people. If they lose that fear card, they may not be able to prevent gay marriage and to them that is the big big issue.
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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What does that have to do with anything? Nothing? Got it.
    No one takes you seriously either, Hat, put me on you ignore list, I just put you on mine.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I think the right-wing is so up in arms over this because they are afraid that if gays are allowed to serve openly in the military, people who may not otherwise be exposed to gay people will....and will see that they are just normal people with the same hopes and dreams as anyone else. They will learn to not be afraid of gay people. Fear is the only card that the right-wing has left in their crusade against rights for gay people. If they lose that fear card, they may not be able to prevent gay marriage and to them that is the big big issue.
    I think the AIDS issue needs to be addressed.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    I think the AIDS issue needs to be addressed.
    We (military) test for HIV quite extensively; when servicemembers test HIV positive, they are allowed to serve until they get sick enough to where they can no longer perform their duties (after AIDS sets in, usually). With proper treatment, individuals can be HIV positive for years before contracting AIDS.

    Also, only the unit commander is allowed to know who is HIV positive in the unit, it is kept completely confidential.

    Servicemembers who test positive for HIV are not limited to just gays, as I'm sure you know.
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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    I think the AIDS issue needs to be addressed.
    issue condoms with the bullets

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    issue condoms with the bullets
    ..and soap-on-a-rope

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    No one takes you seriously either, Hat, put me on you ignore list, I just put you on mine.
    Can I be on your list ..pretty please

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    I think the AIDS issue needs to be addressed.
    Let's address it.

    How precisely will allowing gays to serve openly in the military affect HIV in the military? Are any of the other 24 countries that allow gays to serve dealing with horrific HIV epidemics as a result of their policy?

    If you are going to say it needs to be addressed, then you probably should say why it needs to be addressed. Gays are already in the military, so it doesn't really matter if they represent a higher proportion of HIV infections. What is at issue is whether they should be allowed to serve openly or if they must continue to serve secretly. Are you afraid they are going to have more unprotected sex if they are allowed to serve openly than they would by being restricted to serving secretly? Do you think more HIV positive gay men will join the military if there is no DADT policy?

    HIV is a valid health concern, but as far as I can tell, it has very little to do with DADT policy. It's pretty much just a red herring.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Servicemembers who test positive for HIV are not limited to just gays, as I'm sure you know.
    Citizens who test positive for HIV are not limited to just gays either. But, with such shocking disproportionate stats, the issue needs to be raised.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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