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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    How do you think the review will differ from the nonpartisan RAND report?
    I don't know. It will take a year, then the congress will have to review it. I would say it is at least 2 years away. That means the GOP could be the majority. There is no guarantee it will be changed. You seem to think it is a done deal. I doubt it will happen during the Obama presidency.
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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I don't know. It will take a year, then the congress will have to review it. I would say it is at least 2 years away. That means the GOP could be the majority. There is no guarantee it will be changed. You seem to think it is a done deal. I doubt it will happen during the Obama presidency.
    Hey, I'm not claiming it has to happen soon but it is going to happen. Even if it takes another 17 years, it is inevitable. I would hope that the country didn't embrace a nonsense policy for that long, but I've found that politics are usually not guided by reason or evidence. Frankly, the problem with Conservative minded people is that they think stalling something will make it go away. If anything I can't wait to hear a decade from now how all these GOPers are going to justify their arguments in support of this policy.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Again, I don't have a strong opinion because I was disallowed service. However, most of my friends who are vets think the policy should be left as-is...and it would appear that most of the vets in this thread feel the same.

    #1 priority is maintaining a high degree of military readiness and effectiveness and not damaging morale. I could not personally support removing the requirement unless we were reasonably sure it would not have significant negative effects on morale.

    I know there was a poll someone posted somewhere, saying 75% of military officers responded that they had no problem with gays serving. That would mean that 25% do have a problem with it... and "officers" and "enlisted" are two different things. I'd bet there are more enlisted who would not like it.

    What's the percentage of gays in the military? 1%? 3%?

    Should we create a situation where 25% or more of military personnel have a morale/discipline issue for the sake of the 1 to 3% who are gay?

    I don't have the answer, I'm just expressing some concerns.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    **** I can smell it from here and my guess is you don't live down the street.
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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    We (military) test for HIV quite extensively; when servicemembers test HIV positive, they are allowed to serve until they get sick enough to where they can no longer perform their duties (after AIDS sets in, usually). With proper treatment, individuals can be HIV positive for years before contracting AIDS.

    Also, only the unit commander is allowed to know who is HIV positive in the unit, it is kept completely confidential.

    Servicemembers who test positive for HIV are not limited to just gays, as I'm sure you know.
    If that HIV positive member is allowed to serve in combat and gets wounded, that presents problems to the medics who must care for him, not to mention his comrades who come in contact with his blood.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Kept his mouth shut? So, you subscribe to the idea that gays in the military should lie about who they are? This sounds like how whites used to talk about blacks.

    The truth is this stupid law has never been followed as it was intended. Most of those discharged did not out themselves. I heard a Lt Colonel last night talk about how a civilian outted him. Do you think a Lt Col will be missed? Do you think he can easily be replaced?

    So, which causes more trouble? To keep them or to kick them out?

    This is the 21st century. Evolve people.
    Will they have separate quarters for gay soldiers?
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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I don't know how many times I have heard the expression "Let's let the generals decide this issue". Well, the top general (actually, an admiral - same thing), has spoken. He is not only an Admiral, but is CHAIRMAN of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
    Yes, and that's a General if he wants to continue to be a General with the Joint Chiefs of Staff better be in league with anything Obama wants, otherwise, he's out of a job. How objective can he be if he is constantly worrying about that job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Generals have very very little interaction with the regular troops and the ones they do talk to or see have been prepped and are on ther best behavior and will not give thier honest opinion if is not what they think the general wants to hear. I would be willing to say that most of them have very little idea what the troops are feeling exspecially if they were not enlisted first.
    How would you know? Like I said, those Generals have been down there with the troops. If those top Generals see a need for change they have very good reasons for it. The cave men below them will just have to follow their new orders and man up... or be disciplined or then kicked out themselves. We don't need any kind of phobes in the military or anywhere.
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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Will they have separate quarters for gay soldiers?
    They don't now.
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