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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You are behind the times. That is what he said Feb 1. This is what he said Feb 3.

    Colin Powell Favors Repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News



    Apparently, someone wasn't paying attention on Tuesday.
    You're so emotionally invested in this issue that see only what you want to see. A little honesty would be appreciated.

    Gates said, in the article YOU linked, no less...

    ...rushing into it, mandating it by fiat with a very short time line would be a serious mistake.

    It's obvious that they want to consult the military before making any decisions. That's what Powell and Gates have both said, that is, they will repeal DADT IF the military is on board. You seem to think they are ready to abolish it without conducting a serious analysis first.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    Why would he do that?
    Because he thinks they should reassess the policy. That's not the same thing as wanting to abolishing it immediately.
    Last edited by Ethereal; 02-04-10 at 03:10 AM.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Even Colin Powell supports the end of this policy. When the people who backed the policy are saying it is time to end it, doesn't that say something?

    AFP: Ex-US military chief Powell backs end to gay ban
    Yeah, it means a minority of two believe it. Not that numbers mean anything, as a minority of two can be correct, but I don't believe these guys are.

    When DADT was thrust upon the military, that was supposedly the end of it, and it was against the wishes of the military leadership.

    If it's ever repealed... Patty Schroeder types will come out of the wood work and create a hell amongst the troops. It will be politically motivated by those that despise the military.

    It will cost lives. The lives of Americans.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Already done replying to someone else.
    You did not reply to me. Shows you are full of yourself.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    The military is not a democracy. If the top Generals say get rid of it, and they do, it will be gotten rid of.
    Not for at least a couple of years

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You're so emotionally invested in this issue that see only what you want to see. A little honesty would be appreciated.

    Gates said, in the article YOU linked, no less...

    ...rushing into it, mandating it by fiat with a very short time line would be a serious mistake.

    It's obvious that they want to consult the military before making any decisions. That's what Powell and Gates have both said, that is, they will repeal DADT IF the military is on board. You seem to think they are ready to abolish it without conducting a serious analysis first.
    When did I say that? I'm all for an objective analysis of how to repeal DADT and what the effects would be. They already had the RAND study, and if it takes a year for the data to prove what we already know, then so be it. It was unlikely to pass before midterm elections in November anyways.

    All I was indicating was that for those who were still struggling with the idea that the policy needs to be repealed that this isn't a matter of "if" but "when".

    You seem to jump back and forth from outright rejecting the idea of repealing DADT to compromising on repealing it for most units. Pick a position and stick with it. Are you against or for the repeal of DADT?

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    The military is not a democracy. If the top Generals say get rid of it, and they do, it will be gotten rid of.
    Congress has to do it, it is a law not a military rule.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Yeah, it means a minority of two believe it. Not that numbers mean anything, as a minority of two can be correct, but I don't believe these guys are.
    First off, I would like you to provide your stats that only two people in the whole damn military support the repeal of DADT. If not, then I want you to rescind your comment of "a minority of two believe it."

    When DADT was thrust upon the military, that was supposedly the end of it, and it was against the wishes of the military leadership.

    If it's ever repealed... Patty Schroeder types will come out of the wood work and create a hell amongst the troops. It will be politically motivated by those that despise the military.

    It will cost lives. The lives of Americans.
    Oh no! Doomsday is coming! Just like it came when they desegregated the military! Just like it came when they allowed women in the military!

    Oh wait! Doomsday didn't come. It was just a bunch of idiots speculating about **** they didn't know anything about and trying to use their fear mongering tactics to keep change from happening!

    The current policy could very well be costing American lives. They dismissed 300 qualified Arab translators just because they were gay during a war when we had a shortage of translators. Essential intelligence could have been missed. Intelligence which could have prevented needless deaths.

    I'm a lot more inclined to believe that our military isn't as weak as you seem to think it is. I think it can do what 24 other countries have done with their militarys.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Even Colin Powell supports the end of this policy. When the people who backed the policy are saying it is time to end it, doesn't that say something?

    AFP: Ex-US military chief Powell backs end to gay ban
    So Powell agrees there should be a one year review of the policy. That does not mean it will change it depends on what the review reveals.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So Powell agrees there should be a one year review of the policy. That does not mean it will change it depends on what the review reveals.
    How do you think the review will differ from the nonpartisan RAND report?

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