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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Next you will demand hate crimes in the military
    No, because I don't believe in the concept of hate crimes.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Even if people die, or the effectiveness of our combat units are undermined?
    You drum out the bigots. They're the ones undermining unit cohesiveness.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Waddaya mean? You wouldn't be able to carry on a conversation with "Jim" at the pub because you wouldn't be able to stop thinking about... "Jim"? BTW, I'm a civilian now. There are homophobes in groups of people all over. The military is no different. I wrestled with a gay guy on our high school team. It didn't bother many people too long... after he put you on the mat and you realized if you didn't move you'ld get pinned. Nowadays girls wrestle on high school teams. Last year a girl won the Section 2 title (Class C or D school) in New York State. She was pretty impressive. My son's friend lost to a girl last night. Kids learn fast that she's only after the same thing you are... the win. People can get over all kinds of bigotry. They just have to try.

    This crap has been gotten over everywhere around the military. Now it's the military's turn. I am so impressed that those Generals came out to repeal DADT. It is the most discriminatory law I've ever heard of.
    I would have been more impressed if Captains and 1st sergeants came out and said it...not generals. The generals for the most part are detached from the inner working of daily routine on a enlisted level.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I would have been more impressed if Captains and 1st sergeants came out and said it...not generals. The generals for the most part are detached from the inner working of daily routine on a enlisted level.
    I think Generals have a better concept of what's going on than you give them credit for. Also they have the big picture in mind.
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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why would the effectiveness of our combat units be undermined?

    The vast majority of the military support ending the ban.

    Even Navy Pride....one of the most right-wing people on this board provided this link which shows that the military support ending the ban on gays in the military:


    Servicemembers Legal Defense Network


    Military Attitudes
    73 percent of military personnel are comfortable with lesbians and gays (Zogby International, 2006).
    The younger generations, those who fight America's 21st century wars, largely don't care about whether someone is gay or not-and they do not link job performance with sexual orientation.
    One in four U.S. troops who served in Afghanistan or Iraq knows a member of their unit who is gay (Zogby, 2006).
    The Public Overwhelmingly Supports Lifting the Ban
    Majorities of weekly churchgoers (60 percent), conservatives (58 percent), and Republicans (58 percent) now favor repeal (Gallup, 2009).
    Seventy-five percent of Americans support gays serving openly - up from just 44 percent in 1993 (ABC News/Washington Post, 2008).
    Ban Hurts Military Readiness
    The U.S. must recruit and retain the greatest number of the best and brightest-especially during two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    The military has discharged almost 800 mission-critical troops and at least 59 Arabic and nine Farsi linguists under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in the last five years.
    How about the military?

    'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Turns 15 - TIME


    But Americans in the military seem less friendly to the idea of junking the ban. A 2006 opinion poll by the independent Military Times newspapers showed that only 30% of those surveyed think openly gay people should serve, while 59% are opposed. "I don't think they'll succeed, but I think they'll try," Donnelly says of the Democrats' efforts to repeal the ban.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    We are in the midst of two wars right now. Our combat units are the best in the world. Why do we need to rock the boat RIGHT NOW? Can't we wait until peace time?

    Oh wait...I must be saying this because I'm a homophobic right-winger!!! ZOMG!!!

    I'm all in favor of repealing DADT. Other countries allow gays to serve openly and don't seem to have any problems. That said, I do agree that now isn't the best time. We're engaged in two theaters of war, we don't need to add the complications and stresses of a major change in policy to the pressures of combat.

    There is nothing wrong with talking about it or laying some groundwork now, but we should wait until our troops are home safe and sound before we make a big change like this.
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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Even if people die, or the effectiveness of our combat units are undermined?
    Do you think there is more of a chance of people dying when a qualified person is on the job or taken off the job?

    DADT has done much more to hurt the military than help it.
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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    I think Generals have a better concept of what's going on than you give them credit for. Also they have the big picture in mind.
    As the in big picture yes generals have a excellent idea, but as in daily life in the barracks, training or combat zones, no they don't nor to Co's for the most part. SNCO's and NCO's are the go to guys for information about enlisted behaviors towards one another. Unless something drastic happens or a violation of the UCMJ, upper command usually has no idea. That said, infantry units are the exception and perhaps a few other types of combat units, where contact with ExCo's and CO's is on a daily basis. When I was in, I saw the commanding Generals perhaps 4 or 5 times a year and that usually was in formation, parade, Marine Ball, Veterans day or change of command.

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    DADT has done much more to hurt the military than help it.

    Explain please

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    Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    You drum out the bigots. They're the ones undermining unit cohesiveness.
    And what if our combat units contain a significant amount of these "bigots"? Are you prepared to kick them all out in the middle of two wars?

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