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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    your septuagenarian prof is particularly surprised that in plenteous posts on this topic not one of our semipro pundits has pointed out ms palin's particular repainting of the tea party in her hi profile peroration in nashville

    ms palin went way out of her way at the convention to more fully define the partially formed movement, to expand its scope

    she spent the first TWENTY MINUTES of her speech talking FOREIGN POLICY

    to TEA drinkers

    hello

    THIS is new

    and the particular prospect of the policy she spelled out pertained most pointedly to TERRORISM

    that is, mrs alaska drew a solid connection from tea drinkers' disposition towards fundamental islamic terrorists who would vaporize little girls and their grammas to the lipton lovers' america first propensities

    quite prescient, really

    speaking macro-politically, that is

    and positive to pay off

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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    There has been a steady current of thought in the movement, that I suppose by my very nature am somehow apart of, to remove or completely alter language. A great many of them take the idea that language is the key, and by altering language purposefully, one develops a different thought. For instance, a great many in the movement are offended when someone says something like "Down Syndrome Child". The proposition has sense been that saying something like "a child with Down Syndrome" will convince the speaker that the identity of the object in front of them is a person (or more specifically, a child) and not the disability category.

    Now, I am a very big skeptic of this type of rhetorical mind-trick, and have tried to get into lengthy conversations about this with others that they are approaching the problem the wrong way. With these things, a great deal of the time it is personal: the teacher, the counselor, the parent of someone with a disability, so you have to be cautious, right? They have every right to be sensitive, because, really, I know very extensively what these parents, etc. think about this issue.

    Well, my line of reasoning was that it was unfortunately believing that changing the language may miraculously alter perceptions of disabilities, when more than likely it won't. I thought that on the whole, people outside of the movement find political correctness (well, when the political correctness doesn't better suit their purposes anyhow-just like everyone else) to be bothersome. Likewise it would probably create more social awkwardness, or maybe to one degree or another, a great sense of difference between one person or another. This would be antithetical to the whole concept behind changing the language to reduce stigma, but I think it has happened a great deal.

    Another problem I had with it was that it seemed to take over too much of the public relations campaign-this idea that we must be politically correct. Granted, this is nothing entirely new, because race and gender relations experienced a great change in the 1960s and 1970s, and the Disability movement rode of the same tide as other minorities. But, despite the fact that the movement is constantly trying to improve the lives of people with disabilities, whether it be through legislation, legislation tweaks, training seminars, whatever have you, the public image for the most part seems to be that the only time the movement appears in the press is to complain that someone had depicted individuals with disabilities in a derogatory way or that perhaps science is explaining why more people are being diagnosed. Those stories, are far and few between to begin with, so I feel as if the movement is latching onto high profile targets for the wrong reasons.

    Language and the thoughts attached to the words themselves are incredibly difficult to change consciously. There may even be something entirely unique about this situation in comparison with race or gender. Is there something nearly universal about measuring one's self in comparison to others, and in particular, one's perceived level of intelligence or social adaptability? Are we going to be able to do anything to change that? Many seem to be able to think so, but I am far more skeptical of that than I am in the notion that public policy can be better molded than pure thoughts.

    Can we be skeptical about Sarah Palin's bona fides? It is not out of the realm of possibility. She is a politician of a particular party, grabbing onto a particular issue that is traditionally seen as a liberal issue. At the same time, I would be hesitant to fully believe it was mere political posturing, even if the woman herself uses the very same language without reflecting upon it.
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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    There has been a steady current of thought in the movement, that I suppose by my very nature am somehow apart of, to remove or completely alter language. A great many of them take the idea that language is the key, and by altering language purposefully, one develops a different thought. For instance, a great many in the movement are offended when someone says something like "Down Syndrome Child". The proposition has sense been that saying something like "a child with Down Syndrome" will convince the speaker that the identity of the object in front of them is a person (or more specifically, a child) and not the disability category.
    I think it makes perfect sense to try to use this construction, if only to help move people's attitudes for that very reason - it's a person first.

    However, I don't get "offended" or upset when someone doesn't do it. It's no big deal.

    Well, my line of reasoning was that it was unfortunately believing that changing the language may miraculously alter perceptions of disabilities, when more than likely it won't.
    I don't think anyone thinks it will "miraculously change" anything, but it helps.

    Another problem I had with it was that it seemed to take over too much of the public relations campaign-this idea that we must be politically correct.
    I agree - it sucks the wind out of more important things.

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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    then, on the other hand (literally), we've got press secty gibbs MOCKING mrs palin by scribbling notes on his left hand and waving it around for the press corps to see

    minutes earlier, obama's at the same podium prescribing the moving past of petty politics

    do you think it's leaderly-like and visionary for the white house to resort to teasing and taunting its political opponents?

    including some of those who don't even hold office?

    you see, some people keep their eyes on the big picture stuff

    others can't tell the difference

    petty put downs and paltry aspersions take the place of policy

    the president's team is pathetic

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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    and, of course, it's not going over

    with gibbs' actual audience, that is

    Press room laughter dies down - PATRICK GAVIN | POLITICO CLICK

    no surprise

    the press corps expect more than playground pranks

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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    I was listening to NPR today. They were discussing the current draft for DSM V. They will be changing the term 'Mentally Retarded' to 'Intellectually Disabled'. It's definitely a more apt term, and at this time lacks the emotional baggage of the term 'Retarded'.

    Understanding "Mild MR" and other Intellectual Disabilities

    What is the "proper" name for Mental Retardation?
    There are a number of different terms used to describe individuals with cognitive problems. These terms sometimes reflect different etiologies (or causes) and other times terms are changed due to political will or the noble desire to reduce their stigmatizing impact. Some of the terms for cognitive difficulties used in recent years include mental retardation, intellectual disabilities, intellectual disability, cognitive disability, developmental delay, developmental handicap, learning disabilities, borderline intellectual functioning, developmental delay (also pervasive developmental disorder or autistic spectrum disorders also sometimes include intellectual concerns), cognitive disorders, dementia, neurodevelopmental disorders and neurocognitive disorders. Difficulties related to acquired cognitive difficulties will be addressed on another site, with that article to be linked to here.

    There is much debate about the terms mild, moderate and profound "Mental Retardation," and many government agencies have already been moving to stop using the term. While the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders DSM-IV-TR Fourth Edition (Text Revision) continues to use the term "Mental Retardation," the DSM-V task force has already signalled a desire to move away from this term toward a different one such as "intellectual disabilities" when the next edition is published.

    This is in keeping with The American Association of Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities which was formerly known as the American Association of Mental Retardation.

    The field has been moving away from "MR" for some time, and will continue to move towards different terms such as intellectual disability. Check back in the future for more references, resources and commentary. An article on adaptive behaviors and the less than specific cut off in cognitive abilities and functioning (functional abilities) between mild MR (intellectual disability) and borderline intellectual functioning will be posted soon.

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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I think it makes perfect sense to try to use this construction, if only to help move people's attitudes for that very reason - it's a person first.

    However, I don't get "offended" or upset when someone doesn't do it. It's no big deal.



    I don't think anyone thinks it will "miraculously change" anything, but it helps.



    I agree - it sucks the wind out of more important things.
    Yes, but at the same time, it is a tricky proposition to suggest that this somehow reduces that sense of otherness that many of these children/adults experience day in and day out (whether or not it is directed at them by others, or an internal observation by the disabled). Some actually do believe this is the substantive issue at hand (or scoff at those who do not use the language trick, which on occasion got me in trouble before I disclosed myself as having the disability being spoken of), and much of the language is not tempered with a dose of skepticism. I have a hard time believing that deep down they believe this will work so that they can then get to work, but there is at the very least, a slight tendency to live in the purely abstract rather than in the application process.
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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    and at this time lacks the emotional baggage of the term 'Retarded'.
    Well, at least for a time. Emotional baggage can easily be transferred from one term to another, unless the strategy has been to lengthen and complicate the label to somehow make it difficult to say in casual conversation. All it takes is time and the problem of stigma will come back in that form again. It will be difficult to create a term that is mostly isolated from taint of stigma.
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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I was listening to NPR today. They were discussing the current draft for DSM V. They will be changing the term 'Mentally Retarded' to 'Intellectually Disabled'. It's definitely a more apt term, and at this time lacks the emotional baggage of the term 'Retarded'.
    Except in a few decades snotty teenagers and White House chiefs of staff and jerks on the internet will be saying "that's ****ing intellectually disabled!"

    But yeah, when the DSM changes, it'll probably be an appropriate time to stop considering "retarded" offensive when used as an insult.

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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yes, but at the same time, it is a tricky proposition to suggest that this somehow reduces that sense of otherness that many of these children/adults experience day in and day out (whether or not it is directed at them by others, or an internal observation by the disabled).
    Maybe, maybe not, but it might help the rest of us reduce the sense of otherness. As they say, would you call a child with cancer a "cancer child"?

    Some actually do believe this is the substantive issue at hand (or scoff at those who do not use the language trick, which on occasion got me in trouble before I disclosed myself as having the disability being spoken of),
    As long as you reveal it, it should be okay - sometimes.

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