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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    And you would have a wonderful point if Rush did not then go on to call a meeting between Emanuel and disability advocates a "retard summit". That is the part in these defenses you guys are making of Limbaugh and Palin that you guys are continually ignoring.
    Which, as I already stated, was Rush's typically poor and tactless attempt at satire and parody by having a go at Emanuel in a mocking fashion, and purposefully attempting to tweak the media in order to highlight they're hypocrisy in their inability to actually examine his context and they're focusing on his use of it while seemingly given Rham a relative pass.

    I'm not continually ignoring, I'm explicitly speaking about. His entire "Retarded" shtick when focusing around Rham is a mocking parody, a satire, done tastelessly and without tact but parody none the less.

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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Definitely. Rev is wrong in saying that what Rush was doing was "quoting" Rham. He did quote Rham, but what he did after that was an attempt to parody the situation. It was satire.



    Says you. It is similar. In both cases they are a SLUR against a group of people for a status that is upon them at birth of which they can not choose. Simply because YOU and some of society find one to be "worse" doesn't necessarily that:

    1) it is worse
    2) that even if it IS worse, that its not comparable

    Retarded is a slur. Just as calling someone a nigger is. Just like calling someone a faggot is. Just because one of those three are very common vernacular, and the second is relatively common, doesn't mean they're somehow "less" of a slur than the third. Or if we routinely said "nigger" as a way to describe some random stereotype of people and it was more commonly socially used would you suddenly have a lot less problem with it?



    Really? I explained the reasoning behind mine. You know, debate site and all, needing to actually EXPLAIN things instead of just making asinine statements. PARODY AND SATIRE are generally viewed as less offensive than actual, intended insults in our society.

    It is why SNL can get up and make mockery of things, such as perhaps Barack Obama becoming enraged and turning into "The Rock Obama" which happens to walk around like a large dumb ape, that if you were to say seriously in society ("When Obama gets flustered he starts acting like a large dumb ape") you would be viewed as offensive.

    It is why Comics could get up and make jokes about the stereotypes of people and races continually, and often, in routine fashion and yet if you express those stereotypes and insults in a genuine, insulting way you'll be found offensive.

    Our Society in general views and weights PARODY and SATIRE differently than actual, legitimate intentions to insult.

    Rush's use of it, while crude and low brow, was done with Parody and Satire in mind, mocking Rham Emanuel's use of the term and mocking the Media's relatively light coverage of the use and their focus more on being negative to Palin than to Emanuel, and highlighting the hypocrisy of them by pointing out how they will take him COMPLETELY out of context and go at him worse than at Emanuel.

    Emanuel's use of it was not parody, nor satire. It was meant as an insult. He insulted and belittled the democrats in question by comparing them to mentally handicapped people. There is no way in the context of his speaking that he was stating they were "Retarding" the situation in the form of the word meaning to slow it down or to stall something. He meant it as they were mentally slow, using a slur to do it. He meant it, completely, as an insulting thing.

    Those two are not on the same level of wrongness, nor malice, nor tastelessness. The fact they are not on the same level does not necessarily mean one is right and one is wrong, but that they are not equal and that its ridiculously idiotic to expect an equal response.

    Now, as I did slightly previously and more thoroughly now, I explained and backed up my reasoning. If you want to make more stupid snide posts instead of actually debate why don't you save it for someone that cares, if you want to actually discuss this then actually do that.


    Yup, says me.

    And yup, they're different levels of wrongness - Rush's was worse. Rush actually called people retards; he did not call an idea retarded.

    But, somehow, Palin didn't call for El Rushbo to be fired

    Classic Palin hypocrisy.
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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    If you guys can't see that Palin is nothing but opportunistic white trash that constantly whores her special needs out to club her political opponents with, then you are a bunch of F---ing Retards.

    Also, that joke I made earlier in the thread about "F--ing Retard: What Todd does to Sarah on Friday nights" was funny.

    I'm done.
    So funny we all forgot to laugh!

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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Which, as I already stated, was Rush's typically poor and tactless attempt at satire and parody by having a go at Emanuel in a mocking fashion, and purposefully attempting to tweak the media in order to highlight they're hypocrisy in their inability to actually examine his context and they're focusing on his use of it while seemingly given Rham a relative pass.

    I'm not continually ignoring, I'm explicitly speaking about. His entire "Retarded" shtick when focusing around Rham is a mocking parody, a satire, done tastelessly and without tact but parody none the less.
    And all that aside, Rush Limbaugh is expected to be tasteless and classless. He is radio shock jock with a side of political commentary, not some government appointed, high ranking official. There is an expectation of civility and respect in the discourse that Rahm is part of. There is no such expectation when it comes to Rush Limbaugh. You can turn Rush Limbaugh off. We're still paying for the services of Rahm until 2012.

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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Yup, says me.

    And yup, they're different levels of wrongness - Rush's was worse. Rush actually called people retards; he did not call an idea retarded.

    But, somehow, Palin didn't call for El Rushbo to be fired

    Classic Palin hypocrisy.
    Thanks for proving my point about your purpose here and the worth of your opinions. I have no time for people that don't wish to have a discussion or debate but just want to continue to prattle their baseless opinions for hyper partisan reasons. You've shown your true colors and true purpose in this thread clear.

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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Which, as I already stated, was Rush's typically poor and tactless attempt at satire and parody by having a go at Emanuel in a mocking fashion, and purposefully attempting to tweak the media in order to highlight they're hypocrisy in their inability to actually examine his context and they're focusing on his use of it while seemingly given Rham a relative pass.

    I'm not continually ignoring, I'm explicitly speaking about. His entire "Retarded" shtick when focusing around Rham is a mocking parody, a satire, done tastelessly and without tact but parody none the less.

    His entire retard shtick. Not retarded. RETARD.

    Rahm calls an idea retarded and he must be fired; El Rushbo calls people retards but he does not need to be fired
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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    So funny we all forgot to laugh!
    I guess you have to have the kind of absolutely tasteless humor I have to find it funny. Also, when is Rahm planning on apologizing to all the Mother F--kers of the world?
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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Thanks for proving my point about your purpose here and the worth of your opinions. I have no time for people that don't wish to have a discussion or debate but just want to continue to prattle their baseless opinions for hyper partisan reasons. You've shown your true colors and true purpose in this thread clear.


    *notes that there is nothing to debate here, as it is - in entirety - a comment about a poster*
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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Thanks for proving my point about your purpose here and the worth of your opinions. I have no time for people that don't wish to have a discussion or debate but just want to continue to prattle their baseless opinions for hyper partisan reasons. You've shown your true colors and true purpose in this thread clear.
    Which is exactly why I walked away from it for 5 days. And I came back 5 days later to find the usual suspects still stuck on stupid.

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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Rahmbeaux is the president's chief of staff. According to the Liberals, Rush is just an entertainer. Remember?

    Surely, the Liberals would want to hold the president's chief of staff to a higher standard.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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