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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

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    I suggest you re-read what I highlighted Jack and try again.

    I suggest you re-read what you posted rev and try again
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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

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    Would you not agree that someone doing a parody or a satire is not quoting the subject of the parody or satire?

    Nigger is not comparable to retarded in any situation.

    You're right, Rushbo's was very very very much worse. I don't see how anyone other than a complete hyper partisan hack would think calling ideas and strategies retarded is anything like calling people retards.

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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Or it may mean that she loves her child and doesn't want to hide it in the closet somewhere because of its affliction. The child needs to know that it's loved, not something to be hidden away.
    I don't know if there is just some kind of cognitive dissonance going on here, or I am just doing a piss poor job of being clear. I am sure she loves her kid. However, if she was genuinely offended by Emanuel's calling part of the Democratic Base "F---ing Retards", then why did she not condemn Rush's calling a meeting between the Whitehouse and mental disability advocates a "retard summit"?

    That was even more offensive to those with mental disabilities than Emanuel's offensive comments were. Yet, she did not call for Rush to apologize. She did not ask him if he "had no decency". She did not ask for his resignation. So basically, one can only conclude that once again, Sarah Palin was just using her special needs kid to club her opponents with.
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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I suggest you re-read what you posted rev and try again




    What did I post. I'm off to Jiu-jitsu, but while you are looking lets not forget what the "" means....


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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    so Michelle obama can be called a "black bitch" and you wouldn't call racism?



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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What did I post. I'm off to Jiu-jitsu, but while you are looking lets not forget what the "" means....



    Rich. Since 'quote' seems to be a big struggle for you to understand
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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Would you not agree however that there is a large difference between doing something as a parody and in a mocking way (mocking towards Emanuel's callous use of the slur, not mocking towards those the slur refers to) and someone doing it as a legitimate insult?

    For example...

    If someone states that a bunch of the kids running around their apartment comment are "Acting like a bunch of classless niggers" would you say that's on the same level, and worthy of the same condemnation, as someone who was recalling in a joking manner Chris Rock's famous "I love black people, I hate niggers" rant?

    Rham used the word specifically and purposefully as a means of insulting democrats by comparing them to mentally impaired people.

    Rush used the word as a parody and mocking of Rham's tasteless use of it, specifically even mentioning that he's doing it because the media would take it out of context and act like its the same as what Rham did if not WORSE than what he did in the way they cover it.

    Whether or not what Rush did was wrong or not, I don't see how anyone other than a complete hyper partisan hack would say they're equal in their "wrongness" and that Palin in any way should react the same way to Rush's parody as she did to Rham's actual insulting use of the slur.
    And you would have a wonderful point if Rush did not then go on to call a meeting between Emanuel and disability advocates a "retard summit". That is the part in these defenses you guys are making of Limbaugh and Palin that you guys are continually ignoring.
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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Would you not agree that someone doing a parody or a satire is not quoting the subject of the parody or satire?
    Definitely. Rev is wrong in saying that what Rush was doing was "quoting" Rham. He did quote Rham, but what he did after that was an attempt to parody the situation. It was satire.

    Nigger is not comparable to retarded in any situation.
    Says you. It is similar. In both cases they are a SLUR against a group of people for a status that is upon them at birth of which they can not choose. Simply because YOU and some of society find one to be "worse" doesn't necessarily that:

    1) it is worse
    2) that even if it IS worse, that its not comparable

    Retarded is a slur. Just as calling someone a nigger is. Just like calling someone a faggot is. Just because one of those three are very common vernacular, and the second is relatively common, doesn't mean they're somehow "less" of a slur than the third. Or if we routinely said "nigger" as a way to describe some random stereotype of people and it was more commonly socially used would you suddenly have a lot less problem with it?

    You're right, Rushbo's was very very very much worse. I don't see how anyone other than a complete hyper partisan hack would think calling ideas and strategies retarded is anything like calling people retards.
    Really? I explained the reasoning behind mine. You know, debate site and all, needing to actually EXPLAIN things instead of just making asinine statements. PARODY AND SATIRE are generally viewed as less offensive than actual, intended insults in our society.

    It is why SNL can get up and make mockery of things, such as perhaps Barack Obama becoming enraged and turning into "The Rock Obama" which happens to walk around like a large dumb ape, that if you were to say seriously in society ("When Obama gets flustered he starts acting like a large dumb ape") you would be viewed as offensive.

    It is why Comics could get up and make jokes about the stereotypes of people and races continually, and often, in routine fashion and yet if you express those stereotypes and insults in a genuine, insulting way you'll be found offensive.

    Our Society in general views and weights PARODY and SATIRE differently than actual, legitimate intentions to insult.

    Rush's use of it, while crude and low brow, was done with Parody and Satire in mind, mocking Rham Emanuel's use of the term and mocking the Media's relatively light coverage of the use and their focus more on being negative to Palin than to Emanuel, and highlighting the hypocrisy of them by pointing out how they will take him COMPLETELY out of context and go at him worse than at Emanuel.

    Emanuel's use of it was not parody, nor satire. It was meant as an insult. He insulted and belittled the democrats in question by comparing their ideas to mentally handicapped people. There is no way in the context of his speaking that he was stating they were "Retarding" the situation in the form of the word meaning to slow it down or to stall something. He meant it as they were mentally slow, using a slur to do it. He meant it, completely, as an insulting thing.

    Those two are not on the same level of wrongness, nor malice, nor tastelessness. The fact they are not on the same level does not necessarily mean one is right and one is wrong, but that they are not equal and that its ridiculously idiotic to expect an equal response.

    Now, as I did slightly previously and more thoroughly now, I explained and backed up my reasoning. If you want to make more stupid snide posts instead of actually debate why don't you save it for someone that cares, if you want to actually discuss this then actually do that.

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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I don't know if there is just some kind of cognitive dissonance going on here, or I am just doing a piss poor job of being clear. I am sure she loves her kid. However, if she was genuinely offended by Emanuel's calling part of the Democratic Base "F---ing Retards", then why did she not condemn Rush's calling a meeting between the Whitehouse and mental disability advocates a "retard summit"?

    That was even more offensive to those with mental disabilities than Emanuel's offensive comments were. Yet, she did not call for Rush to apologize. She did not ask him if he "had no decency". She did not ask for his resignation. So basically, one can only conclude that once again, Sarah Palin was just using her special needs kid to club her opponents with.


    Rahm never actually called anyone a retard, or an effing retard. He called the plan by liberal groups to air ads attacking conservatives effing retarded.

    He called a plan retarded. He didn't call any person a retard.

    "The friction was laid bare in August when Mr. Emanuel showed up at a weekly strategy session featuring liberal groups and White House aides. Some attendees said they were planning to air ads attacking conservative Democrats who were balking at Mr. Obama's health-care overhaul.

    "F—ing retarded," Mr. Emanuel scolded the group, according to several participants. He warned them not to alienate lawmakers whose votes would be needed on health care and other top legislative items."


    Rahm Emanuel, Obama's Chief of Staff, Draws Fire From Left - WSJ.com
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    Re: Palin Blasts Emanuel for Calling Dem Idea 'Retarded'

    If you guys can't see that Palin is nothing but opportunistic white trash that constantly whores her special needs out to club her political opponents with, then you are a bunch of F---ing Retards.

    Also, that joke I made earlier in the thread about "F---ing Retard: What Todd does to Sarah on Friday nights" was funny.

    I'm done.
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