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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Having read the article, I couldn't see what this is all about. What is the law and what is that law doing?
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_Bill]Equality Bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    The primary purpose of the Bill is to codify the complicated and evolving array of Acts and Regulations, which form the basis of anti-discrimination law in the United Kingdom. This is, primarily, the Equal Pay Act 1970, the Race Relations Act 1976, the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 and three Statutory Instruments protecting discrimination in employment on grounds of religion or belief, sexual orientation and age. This legislation has the same goals as the US Civil Rights Act 1964 and four major EU Equal Treatment Directives.[1] It requires equal treatment in access to employment as well as private and public services, regardless of gender, race, disability, sexual orientation, belief and age. In the case of gender, there are special protections for pregnant women. In the case of disability, employers and service providers are under a duty to make reasonable adjustments to their workplaces to accommodate people with handicaps. In this regard, the Equality Bill will not change the law.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I don't think fighting discrimination in all its forms is wrong. Not in Israel, not in the UK nor anywhere else. I would speak out against a law that would force Catholic Churches or Orthodox Synagogues to accept women clergy, because that goes against their fundamental religious dogma, but asking them to follow the law of the land when they act as secular employers is only logical. A gay accountant is not going to affect the core values of a religion and might very well be the best person for the job. One might argue that giving such a person employment is a tacit approval of their lifestyle, but that is a bit a of stretch in my opinion. No one knows what people actually do behind closed doors and the nice looking straight accountant may be a total pervert for all we know.
    I'm all for fighting discrimination on every and each field in society, that is not why I oppose the law and that is not what I find to be wrong with it.

    To make myself clear, what's bothering me about such laws is the socialistic values that they promote.
    For example, in the British equality bill we have a clause that forces company owners to publish the disparities of pay between males and females within their organizations, that then goes on to call public bodies to prefer companies that have a smaller disparity between males and females in their organization, over the companies that hold larger disparities.

    This is, I believe, a pure socialistic act, that causes many females to be placed at positions that they are not suited for - and absolutely not merely because they are females - positions that could have been taken by a more suitable person, that might happen to be a male.

    If one is fighting discrimination, he should promote the rights of the individual, and not bluntly the equality of society as a whole.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    You have no anti-discrimination laws in the US? Since when?
    We have no law that forces religious hospitals or schools to hire anyone other than who they want.

    Of course you knew this and ignored the meat of my post.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Agreed ..and my rights are being violated when my tax dollars are being used to subsidize organizations that discriminate.
    Since when did you have a right to tell the government what they can spend taxes on? I mean in all seriousness, except for voting you have no right at all.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I'm all for fighting discrimination on every and each field in society, that is not why I oppose the law and that is not what I find to be wrong with it.

    To make myself clear, what's bothering me about such laws is the socialistic values that they promote.
    For example, in the British equality bill we have a clause that forces company owners to publish the disparities of pay between males and females within their organizations, that then goes on to call public bodies to prefer companies that have a smaller disparity between males and females in their organization, over the companies that hold larger disparities.

    This is, I believe, a pure socialistic act, that causes many females to be placed at positions that they are not suited for - and absolutely not merely because they are females - positions that could have been taken by a more suitable person, that might happen to be a male.

    If one is fighting discrimination, he should promote the rights of the individual, and not bluntly the equality of society as a whole.
    I'm not sure I understand what exactly you're objecting to. Equal pay for equal work is not socialistic in nature. Why should somebody's gender determine their salary, everything else being equal? What would really be socialistic and utterly non-sensical too, would be to pay everyone the same salary regardless of qualifications. But that's not what this law is about.

    This is not about some sort of affirmative action, it's about equality in the eyes of the law.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    We have no law that forces religious hospitals or schools to hire anyone other than who they want.

    Of course you knew this and ignored the meat of my post.
    Why do these particular employers get afforded the right to openly discriminate? Either the law applies to all employers or it doesn't. These are secular jobs we're talking about. Why should a religious hospital be allowed to discriminate against gays, but a regular hospital is not allowed to discriminate against blacks?

    It doesn't make much sense, is all I'm saying. But hey, it's your country, if you're ok with the disparity...
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Why do these particular employers get afforded the right to openly discriminate? Either the law applies to all employers or it doesn't. These are secular jobs we're talking about. Why should a religious hospital be allowed to discriminate against gays, but a regular hospital is not allowed to discriminate against blacks?
    What kind of work atmosphere do you create when you mix a Catholic, atheist and Muslim in the same work area? A hostile work environment. This does not work very well. Look at the divisive arguments here about religion, not lets throw that in the work place.

    Please, why do people always have to bring race into it? Race is not religion and has nothing to do with this issue at all. A person has no choice in what race they are. People most certainly pick the religion they are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    It doesn't make much sense, is all I'm saying. But hey, it's your country, if you're ok with the disparity...
    What does not make sense is why you think it would be OK for a Catholic organization to be forced to hire a Wikkan or Muslim??? And visa versa.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Exactly! If they're qualified, you can't reject them because you don't like their religion or sexual orientation. That part is none of your business and if you don't like it, then you have to give up your tax subsidies.
    But religions are not classified as businesses.
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    Re: Pope Benedict attacks government over Equality Bill

    It's all nonsense.

    The government has NO business forcing any company, secular or religious (and an organized religion is just a business, run by con men) who they must hire and who they must serve. The only natural limit to this would be hospitals, who shouldn't be allowed to discriminate when the man at the door is exsanguinating on the steps.

    The Catholic Church should not be required to hire fairies it doesn't want.

    Nor should any religion be required to hire anyone male or female, that it doesn't want to - with no reasons given.

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    But religions are not classified as businesses.
    They should be, since that's what they are.

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