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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Do not care. The rights are absolute, not the money.

    They are free to practice and express as they want. They are private and can hire whom they want. If they want to only associate and assemble with those of like mind and those whom are in compliance with their religious laws that is their business. If they don't want gay people in their church, they are free to keep them out.
    I have no problem with any of this; just as long as they aren't receiving tax subsidies.

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

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    I have no problem with any of this; just as long as they aren't receiving tax subsidies.
    Then you do have a problem with the first part. Where I stated the rights are absolute, not the money. To you, it's the opposite. The money is absolute, not the rights.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Then you do have a problem with the first part. Where I stated the rights are absolute, not the money. To you, it's the opposite. The money is absolute, not the rights.
    If they're going to discriminate, they can't force me to sanction it with my tax dollars.

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Having read the article, I couldn't see what this is all about? What is the law and what is that law doing?
    Nothing much, a version of the law is already on the books all Harman is going to do is merely clarify what is and is not a religious job. The law has no intention of forcing churches to suddenly change their core doctrine or interfere with those at all.
    All she is doing is ensuring that those secular jobs such as cleaners, accountants, managers are not subject to unfair discrimination because of their sexuality etc.

    This law is by no means a violation of religious liberty because it does not penalise religion at all
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Nothing much, a version of the law is already on the books all Harman is going to do is merely clarify what is and is not a religious job. The law has no intention of forcing churches to suddenly change their core doctrine or interfere with those at all.
    All she is doing is ensuring that those secular jobs such as cleaners, accountants, managers are not subject to unfair discrimination because of their sexuality etc.

    This law is by no means a violation of religious liberty because it does not penalise religion at all
    So this is about jobs in the church? I didn't get that from the article at all, but oh well.

    What law?


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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    If they're going to discriminate, they can't force me to sanction it with my tax dollars.
    Your beef is with the government, not the free institution. As I said, the rights of the individual are absolute, not the money. In fact, acknowledging the rights and liberties of the individual and holding them above all else despite consequence and responsibility is a corner stone of libertarian political philosophy.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I thought US had affirmative action ... :/
    Yes, but that's not really what I had in mind. Actually, affirmative action is a form of reverse discrimination which I don't necessarily think is useful anymore in this day and age.

    What I meant was that I was under the impression that discrimination based on gender, race and religion was illegal in the US.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So this is about jobs in the church? I didn't get that from the article at all, but oh well.

    What law?


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    No, I am clarifying the law does not affect the core jobs in any religious institution in the UK therefore it is not an attack on any form of 'religious liberty'

    And the law is the UK Equality bill.

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So this is about jobs in the church? I didn't get that from the article at all, but oh well.

    What law?


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    It's about jobs everywhere, including religious institutions. This only applies to secular jobs (accountants, managers, clerks, cleaners...) and will not apply to priests, imams, rabbis etc...

    It basically forbids all manner of discrimination by employers, including sexual orientation.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    If any Government wants to interfere with any Religion they should ban Cults like Islam and the Mormons who's precepts teach either hate or the subjugation of others.

    Banning Homosexuals seems natural since it's a life style choice that is against the Churches teachings.

    And don't give any crap about how you were born Homosexual it's been proven time and again that was a lie. It's a choice used by people who can't deal with relationships, between men and women, so they take the easy way.

    There is no such thing as a Homosexual Gene! The Gay Gene?

    Government should stay out of Religion period.

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