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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    As long as religious institutions are not forced to change their core fundamental doctrine, I see no problem with the UK Equality law. Since the law does not force the hiring of gay priests, female imams or rabbis and such, there is no issue here.

    I do have to wonder what the Pope's problem is here. This affects only the secular jobs in connection with the church, such as accountants, secretaries, cleaning staff etc.. Why in the world would the church refuse to employ gays in these postions? Whatever happened to hate the sin, love the sinner? I guess that was just one more bull**** statement rammed down my throat during Catechism.

    I think the Pope's reaction is utterly ridiculous and shamefully un-Catholic.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    This from someone whose minions have sexually assaulted hundreds if not thousands of young children in their care.
    Naturally all in the name of some archaic mumbo jumbo religion.
    The law is a piece of **** and infringes upon free right to practice and express one's religion. It shouldn't be made at all, this is just more archaic PC mumbo jumbo infringing upon the rights and liberties of the individual once again.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Tax dollars come with strings attached. If you're not willing to obey the strings, then give up the tax subsidies. Simple as that.
    No they don't. Welfare recipients don't have to invite me over for dinner because I paid for it.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    That should only happen if they're getting tax dollars.
    Absolutely not. While I can be convinced (may even put for the argument myself) that churches and religions shouldn't get the tax breaks they enjoy now; you may not infringe upon the right to express and practice your religion. Absolutely not. The government may not go around imposing law against the free practice of the religion, even if they take tax dollar money. No way, no how; that right must be protected. As with all our rights.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    As long as religious institutions are not forced to change their core fundamental doctrine, I see no problem with the UK Equality law. Since the law does not force the hiring of gay priests, female imams or rabbis and such, there is no issue here.

    I do have to wonder what the Pope's problem is here. This affects only the secular jobs in connection with the church, such as accountants, secretaries, cleaning staff etc.. Why in the world would the church refuse to employ gays in these postions? Whatever happened to hate the sin, love the sinner? I guess that was just one more bull**** statement rammed down my throat during Catechism.

    I think the Pope's reaction is utterly ridiculous and shamefully un-Catholic.
    teachers? many religions, not just catholic, require morals clauses for teachers.

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Ah, that said, I misread the thing Redress posted. This DOESN'T apply to priests and such, but to their accountants and things of the sort?

    Hmm, I still dislike this as in principle its still interfering with religion, but this is a much more nebulous gray area. Hm, not sure how I feel on this one.
    Churches do not get to pick and choose what laws apply to them. Since Britain has a law that outlaws dissemination based on orientation, the church(whichever it might be, the Catholic one in this case) has to obey the law. The British government did make the exception for strictly religious jobs, such as priests, nuns, later boys, what have you, but if you are, say, an accountant for the church, you fall under the law of the land. This seems like a reasonable compromise.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Absolutely not. While I can be convinced (may even put for the argument myself) that churches and religions shouldn't get the tax breaks they enjoy now; you may not infringe upon the right to express and practice your religion. Absolutely not. The government may not go around imposing law against the free practice of the religion, even if they take tax dollar money. No way, no how; that right must be protected. As with all our rights.
    Fine, then they don't deserve the tax dollars.

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Fine, then they don't deserve the tax dollars.
    Yeah, maybe they don't. Not going to disagree. But I'm not going to use tax dollars as excuse to limit freedom and liberty, to excuse the government....to actually defend the government, when it acts against the rights and liberties of the individual. I don't care if they get the tax dollars, the rights are absolute. Pinning this crap on government money is dangerous. Because all of us get "government money" somehow, in some manner. Do police services come with strings? Roads? Well yes, the federal government blackmails the States into having the 21 years for alcohol law by refusing to allocate my money they took in part to keep and maintain the roads unless the State's comply with the Federal government's will. That's crap. Utter bull****.

    The churches get tax breaks, fine. Maybe we should get rid of them, that's another topic. But the rights are absolute, and must be upheld to their maximum! No ands, ifs, or buts about it.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Freedom of association is as important as freedom of speech. Of course the Pope is correct on this one.

    Funny thing is the UK has been loosing freedoms so fast, I don't think they even realize how much they have given up at this point.

    This law is wrong and I am glad the US, has no law this stupid.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Discrimination as a whole is unacceptable.
    No it's not, in fact it's very necessary. As an elitist, I say to the best, most qualified goes the spoils. That's a form of discrimination. I most certainly discriminate on the basis of ability.
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