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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I have no problem with government organization being required to not discriminate. I do see a problem with government forcing anti-discrimination on a private firm. This falls into the same category as other regulation I think.

    When a company discriminates, I don't think the rights of minorities have been violated.
    You're right, it does fall in the same category as other regulations. Those regulations are usually in place to prevent private businesses from damaging the environment, poisoning or endagering the lives of their customers and/or their employees etc... Private companies cannot operate in any manner they wish to when they are interacting with the rest of us. They aren't allowed to harm society at large. I see anti-discrimination laws in the same way. If we can regulate the way a company operates in order to protect the environment, I see no reason why we can't impose regulations in order to protect human beings as well. We don't live in a vacuum, like it or not, we all have social responsibilities. Private companies do not get a free pass.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    When a company discriminates, I don't think the rights of minorities have been violated.
    So you have no problem with a company stating it aint hiring no ni***s and Jews?
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    You're right, it does fall in the same category as other regulations. Those regulations are usually in place to prevent private businesses from damaging the environment, poisoning or endagering the lives of their customers and/or their employees etc... Private companies cannot operate in any manner they wish to when they are interacting with the rest of us. They aren't allowed to harm society at large. I see anti-discrimination laws in the same way. If we can regulate the way a company operates in order to protect the environment, I see no reason why we can't impose regulations in order to protect human beings as well. We don't live in a vacuum, like it or not, we all have social responsibilities. Private companies do not get a free pass.
    There is a difference between regulations that protect the environment and the lives of customers or employees and protects the market place from unfair business practices, on the one hand, and regulations that force a company to certain hiring demographics. What is being protected? We should not over-regulate as we will become a socialist country in all but name and the government will make market decisions.

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you have no problem with a company stating it aint hiring no ni***s and Jews?
    You're disgraceful for using that term. I would hope a company wouldn't use it, but perhaps they will. I do not have a problem if a company wanted to behave that way. I like to think that the market will punish them for it.

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you have no problem with a company stating it aint hiring no ni***s and Jews?
    If the company did say something like that, how long do you think they would be in business?

    We don't need the government to tell us who we can or cannot associate or do business with.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I'd never heard of it. Must be that pesky ocean between our two continents. Not everything that hapens over there makes it over here.
    Nuff said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    This was all due to some PC non-sense about quotas. None of which has anything to do with anti-discrimination laws, but more with affirmative action which I am not in favor of.
    What????

    Quota's are a direct result of anti discrimination laws.

    Your hearts in the right place, but involving a PC and over reacting government is just plain stupid. This is what you are advocating.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I still contend that anti-discrimination laws are a good thing for society and that it is the governement's job to protect minorites.
    And in the process it widens the racial divide and directly causes quota's, jealousy and an entitlement mind set.

    They are doing more harm then good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    The fact that certain courts do a lousy job at interpreting these laws and get them confused with affirmative action laws is not a good enough reason to strike these protections down.
    Affirmative action IS AN ANTI DISCRIMINATION LAW. They are not separate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    The problems you mention don't result from the anti-discrimination law itself. They are due to an overly litigious society and a justice system too lazy, or worse, too weak to interpret the laws as they should be.
    The problems I mentioned are a direct result of anti discrimination laws. They and the associated problems are a direct result courts or not.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    You're right, it does fall in the same category as other regulations. Those regulations are usually in place to prevent private businesses from damaging the environment, poisoning or endagering the lives of their customers and/or their employees etc... Private companies cannot operate in any manner they wish to when they are interacting with the rest of us. They aren't allowed to harm society at large.
    They aren't allowed to physically harm others or their property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I see anti-discrimination laws in the same way.
    And you're wrong about that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    If we can regulate the way a company operates in order to protect the environment, I see no reason why we can't impose regulations in order to protect human beings as well.
    Because not getting hired doesn't harm a human, he/she/it simply has to find another prospective employer, and maybe control that lisp in the interview next time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    We don't live in a vacuum, like it or not, we all have social responsibilities. Private companies do not get a free pass.
    No one has a "social responsibility" to hire people they don't like.

    Get over it.

    It's called "freedom".

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Affirmative action IS AN ANTI DISCRIMINATION LAW. They are not separate.
    Affirmative Action is a law codifying government sanctioned racism.

    In other words, it's a discrimination law, not an anti-discrimination law.

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    There is a difference between regulations that protect the environment and the lives of customers or employees and protects the market place from unfair business practices, on the one hand, and regulations that force a company to certain hiring demographics. What is being protected? We should not over-regulate as we will become a socialist country in all but name and the government will make market decisions.
    I don't really see any difference. Why is one regulation acceptable when it involves protecting the environement from damage, but another is not when it involves protecting minorities from discrimination?
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you have no problem with a company stating it aint hiring no ni***s and Jews?
    Anyone having a problem with such a company has an appropriate means of expressing their disdain.

    They don't do business with that firm, and encourage their friends to boycott them also.

    After all the disasters socialism has brought to Europe, why are Europeans so insistent that they give their governments again the powers to control the people?

    Well, whatever, no nation in Europe was founded on the ideal of personal liberty and justice. The United States is different.

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