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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Actually the 'Pope' is an elected office, he is elected by a conclave of his Peers, they being the Cardinals of this disgusting Religion.
    That 'office' is elected to represent UK and create legislation? Well I'll be damned

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Have you ever refused to go on a date with someone? Have you ever avoided certain areas in London? Do you have a specific group of people you associate with, or do you become friends with every single person you meet?
    No. Yes. No.

    I see what you are getting at and I clarified it a bit more when discussing it with Ikari previously.
    But to me the Pope seems to be defending discrimination and somehow deluding himself into demanding that religious institutions should be above the law.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I'm talking about hiring the best person for the job and you tell me about totally useless firemen?
    Female fireman could not lift the 150lb dummy up a flight of stairs and was not hired. She sued for discrimination and they had to hire her.

    In the end the Fire Dept's had to lower their standards so they could hire more females.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Obviously. It results in firemen who can't even do their job. Score.
    This is bull**** as we know now.

    All your kind of thinking on this does is lower the overall standards. It has come to the point that company's hire unqualified people because of the race or sex etc. It does the exact opposite of what you are trying to accomplish.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Female fireman could not lift the 150lb dummy up a flight of stairs and was not hired. She sued for discrimination and they had to hire her.

    In the end the Fire Dept's had to lower their standards so they could hire more females.
    Or, on the opposite extreme, a number of men who PASSED a chief's exam were refused promotions because not one person who passed was black. That must have been the fault of the white men who passed, so they were punished.

    New USSC Justice Sotomayor, famous for her talking latina vagina, ruled as an appellate judge, that this was clearly not discrimination. The Supreme Court overturned her ridiculous claim.

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Female fireman could not lift the 150lb dummy up a flight of stairs and was not hired. She sued for discrimination and they had to hire her.

    In the end the Fire Dept's had to lower their standards so they could hire more females.



    This is bull**** as we know now.

    All your kind of thinking on this does is lower the overall standards. It has come to the point that company's hire unqualified people because of the race or sex etc. It does the exact opposite of what you are trying to accomplish.
    Well, if you'd given me the details from the start instead of being needlessly cryptic, we could have carried on a more useful conversation, don't you think?

    Anyhoo, if your account is correct, it has very little to do with what I'm "trying to accomplish". My goal is not for unqualified people to be given any kind of undeserved preference in the hiring process. Quite the opposite in fact. The problem in your story is not the anti-discrimination laws, but the baffling stupidity of your courts. It boggles the mind that anyone so ridiculously unqualified for a position would not only sue but actually win the lawsuit. What kind of kangaroo court was that?

    The protection against discrimination should never, ever mean protection against blatant unsuitability for a job. There is a world of difference between refusing to hire a woman who does not possess the required physical strength to handle her job and refusing to hire her simply because she's a woman. If she can't perform, then she shouldn't get the job and any judge that would rule that she should has got his head so far up his PC backside it's not even funny.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Well, if you'd given me the details from the start instead of being needlessly cryptic, we could have carried on a more useful conversation, don't you think?
    It is a well known news story from years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Anyhoo, if your account is correct, it has very little to do with what I'm "trying to accomplish". My goal is not for unqualified people to be given any kind of undeserved preference in the hiring process. Quite the opposite in fact. The problem in your story is not the anti-discrimination laws, but the baffling stupidity of your courts. It boggles the mind that anyone so ridiculously unqualified for a position would not only sue but actually win the lawsuit. What kind of kangaroo court was that?
    It is the same for most court's in the world, as judges are just people. Prone to the same prejudices etc.

    If we would just let private company's hire who they want, the whole problem would end.

    We don't need the government to solve every problem we have. In fact like discrimination laws, they just aggravate it.

    Affirmative action is a good example. Even before it was enacted blacks were making good in roads in the work places etc. With hard work and good grades, those first few overcame the racist obstacles. They set a good example for the community and accomplished more by themselves than Affirmative action ever did. Would it have taken a little longer overall? Yes. Would the outcome have been better? Absolutely. Instead of people like Collen Powell, having people say it was just affirmative action. They would be saying what a man.

    All we have today because of it is unqualified people giving others a bad name.

    Great job government.

    So yes, people with the same "lets use the government to make it fair" attitude like yours are part of of the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    The protection against discrimination should never, ever mean protection against blatant unsuitability for a job.
    And yet more often than not, this is exactly what it accomplishes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    There is a world of difference between refusing to hire a woman who does not possess the required physical strength to handle her job and refusing to hire her simply because she's a woman. If she can't perform, then she shouldn't get the job and any judge that would rule that she should has got his head so far up his PC backside it's not even funny.
    I can say exactly the same thing about anti discrimination laws.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is a well known news story from years ago.
    I'd never heard of it. Must be that pesky ocean between our two continents. Not everything that hapens over there makes it over here.

    In any case, I got curious and went looking for the story, but no matter how many different ways I googled it I couldn't find the case you're referring to. I found other related cases about gender discrimination and harrassment involving female firefighters, as well as allegations that recruiters were lowering their hiring standards or simply passing the female recruits even though they were clearly failing many of the physical strength tests. This was all due to some PC non-sense about quotas. None of which has anything to do with anti-discrimination laws, but more with affirmative action which I am not in favor of.



    It is the same for most court's in the world, as judges are just people. Prone to the same prejudices etc.

    If we would just let private company's hire who they want, the whole problem would end.

    We don't need the government to solve every problem we have. In fact like discrimination laws, they just aggravate it.

    Affirmative action is a good example. Even before it was enacted blacks were making good in roads in the work places etc. With hard work and good grades, those first few overcame the racist obstacles. They set a good example for the community and accomplished more by themselves than Affirmative action ever did. Would it have taken a little longer overall? Yes. Would the outcome have been better? Absolutely. Instead of people like Collen Powell, having people say it was just affirmative action. They would be saying what a man.

    All we have today because of it is unqualified people giving others a bad name.

    Great job government.

    So yes, people with the same "lets use the government to make it fair" attitude like yours are part of of the problem.



    And yet more often than not, this is exactly what it accomplishes.



    I can say exactly the same thing about anti discrimination laws.
    I still contend that anti-discrimination laws are a good thing for society and that it is the governement's job to protect minorites.

    The fact that certain courts do a lousy job at interpreting these laws and get them confused with affirmative action laws is not a good enough reason to strike these protections down. The problems you mention don't result from the anti-discrimination law itself. They are due to an overly litigious society and a justice system too lazy, or worse, too weak to interpret the laws as they should be.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I still contend that anti-discrimination laws are a good thing for society and that it is the governement's job to protect minorites.
    Why shouldn't private firms be able to discriminate if they wish?

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Why shouldn't private firms be able to discriminate if they wish?
    Like I said, I think it's very harmful to society to allow certain specific groups to be repeatedly discriminated against. Private firms are as much part of society as you and I and they should abide by these laws.

    Tell me, if the government doesn't step in to protect the rights of minorities, who will?

    I'm not willing to live in an Indian-style type of society, with a caste system that ensures that millions will forever be second, third or even fourth-class citizens with no hope of ever moving up. It's uncivilized and unworthy of us.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Like I said, I think it's very harmful to society to allow certain specific groups to be repeatedly discriminated against. Private firms are as much part of society as you and I and they should abide by these laws.

    Tell me, if the government doesn't step in to protect the rights of minorities, who will?

    I'm not willing to live in an Indian-style type of society, with a caste system that ensures that millions will forever be second, third or even fourth-class citizens with no hope of ever moving up. It's uncivilized and unworthy of us.
    I have no problem with government organization being required to not discriminate. I do see a problem with government forcing anti-discrimination on a private firm. This falls into the same category as other regulation I think.

    When a company discriminates, I don't think the rights of minorities have been violated.

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