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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

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    Discrimination as a whole is unacceptable.
    Have you ever refused to go on a date with someone? Have you ever avoided certain areas in London? Do you have a specific group of people you associate with, or do you become friends with every single person you meet?

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, let's stick to the real world in which damn fools can read 1984 and Animal Farm and Brave New World and then vote that their government just has to have to power to do them favors all over the place by stomping on the freedoms of others.

    That's the world you want, and that's the world you're getting.

    You happy with it?
    Could be worse.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    As long as religious institutions are not forced to change their core fundamental doctrine, I see no problem with the UK Equality law. Since the law does not force the hiring of gay priests, female imams or rabbis and such, there is no issue here.

    I do have to wonder what the Pope's problem is here. This affects only the secular jobs in connection with the church, such as accountants, secretaries, cleaning staff etc.. Why in the world would the church refuse to employ gays in these postions? Whatever happened to hate the sin, love the sinner? I guess that was just one more bull**** statement rammed down my throat during Catechism.

    I think the Pope's reaction is utterly ridiculous and shamefully un-Catholic.
    There is no such thing as a "secular job" within the Catholic Church, just like there is no such thing as a secular job in a Muslim mosque. Every employee is a caretaker of the religious community, whether they're a Priest or an administrator. It's not as simple as this job is theological and this job is secular.

    Of course, this ignores the fact that free individuals and associations should be able to hire and fire whoever they want for whatever reason they want, but I wouldn't expect that kind of logic to come out of Britain.

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    If they're going to discriminate, they can't force me to sanction it with my tax dollars.
    They aren't forcing you to do anything. The government is making you subsidize their practices. If you don't like it, take it up with the government.

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Actually the 'Pope' is an elected office, he is elected by a conclave of his Peers, they being the Cardinals of this disgusting Religion.
    As a head of state, he is interfering in the business of another state. His Nazi past does not help him in imposing his unwanted views on others.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Could be worse.
    It's getting worse.

    Now we have governments interfering in the hiring policies of private companies.

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    There is no such thing as a "secular job" within the Catholic Church, just like there is no such thing as a secular job in a Muslim mosque. Every employee is a caretaker of the religious community, whether they're a Priest or an administrator. It's not as simple as this job is theological and this job is secular.

    Of course, this ignores the fact that free individuals and associations should be able to hire and fire whoever they want for whatever reason they want, but I wouldn't expect that kind of logic to come out of Britain.
    It's very simple. Everyone who's not clergy holds a secular position. They're not even necessarily religious either. Just people who need a job.
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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    It's very simple. Everyone who's not clergy holds a secular position. They're not even necessarily religious either. Just people who need a job.
    Like I said, there is no such thing as a "secular position" in the Catholic Church. Administrators are expected to be as much a part of the religious community as the Priests.

    It's not like the Catholic community has separate buildings for theological purposes and secular purposes. They're ALL part of the Church; they're ALL theological. You cannot make a distinction between the two in the eyes of a Catholic; they all serve the same theological end.

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    As a head of state, he is interfering in the business of another state. His Nazi past does not help him in imposing his unwanted views on others.
    He was FORCED to join the Hitler Youth, just like every other German boy his age. Maybe if you weren't such an irrational bigot you would understand the difference...

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    Re: Pope launches attack on UK equality law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's getting worse.

    Now we have governments interfering in the hiring policies of private companies.
    We've had that for a long time. I see it as governments trying to ensure that all citizens are treated equally. I see the protection of minorities as one of the government's responsibilities. Besides, there are always ways to circumvent these feel-good laws. It's extremely hard to prove you're the victim of this sort of discrimination. Employers are not stupid enough to tell you the truth. This law won't make much of a difference in practice.
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