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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    What is the US guilty of?
    Sabre rattling and spreading paranoia and over the top rhetoric about Iran, like I already said...

    Not killing and jailing those who speak out against our government, forcing women to wear curtains, or putting a theocratic dictatorship in unchecked power? The US isn't like Iran, although the US isn't perfect (no nation is) we aren't nearly as bad as Iran, nor are we equals when it comes to "blame."
    You could ask the Iranians what the US is guilty of; their list is equally as long. In the end though this "who is the most guilty" contest is counterproductive and stupid.
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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The US is just as guilty of it as Iran. There is sabre rattling on both sides.
    That's an odd view. "Guilty" of saber rattling. Which automatically assumes a negative and that it's unacceptable.
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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Sabre rattling and spreading paranoia and over the top rhetoric about Iran, like I already said...



    You could ask the Iranians what the US is guilty of; their list is equally as long. In the end though this "who is the most guilty" contest is counterproductive and stupid.
    It's not sabre rattling to stand up against a theocratical dictatorship that is lying to nuclear authorities and making war-like claims against one of our allies (Israel) and demonizes us as the great satan who is trying to prevent the apocalypse. If anything, I don't think we have been hard enough on Iran, they still continue to lie and pursue nuclear weapons.

    The Iranians may accuse America of bad things, but that doesn't mean their accusations are true or rational.

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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

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    Well he had the Constitution amended to take away the term limits on his Presidency, that's one example. I'd have to look up others but I know some stuff has happened.

    Re: thuggishness: Chavez has been putting a lot of pressure on those TV channels and radio stations which are opposed to him. Putting them out of business in some cases, that doesn't strike me as something that a democratic person would do. Also, more recently, Chavez has put troops in the streets enforcing his price controls in stores and such.

    Much of what he does just seems authoritarian and pseudo-dictatorial to me.

    Don't get me wrong, when Chavez first came to power I was willing to give the guy a chance, see what he did and how he acted. I wasn't immediately set against him like many right-wingers were. But over time I have turned against him.
    You have to take alot of what Chavez does with some consideration over the countries monetary class situation. Redistributing unused real-estate and farms, when there are millions with no farms or who live in shantys, cracking down on television stations, who interpreted illegal coups against him as glorious people's revolutions, imagine fox news celebrating an illegal coup against obama, it'd be gone. I do hear he is trying to crack down on television stations that don't air his speeches. But articles dont make it clear whether they are inherently anti-state stations or whether they are being punished for not airing speeches and soley for that reason. You've got to take northern hemisphere media on him with quite a grain of salt. He represents the dark and poor people who are voiceless,(i dont know how else to put it) so youre not going to hear much support for him from most media.

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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    You have to take alot of what Chavez does with some consideration over the countries monetary class situation. Redistributing unused real-estate and farms, when there are millions with no farms or who live in shantys, cracking down on television stations, who interpreted illegal coups against him as glorious people's revolutions, imagine fox news celebrating an illegal coup against obama, it'd be gone. I do hear he is trying to crack down on television stations that don't air his speeches. But articles dont make it clear whether they are inherently anti-state stations or whether they are being punished for not airing speeches and soley for that reason. You've got to take northern hemisphere media on him with quite a grain of salt. He represents the dark and poor people who are voiceless,(i dont know how else to put it) so youre not going to hear much support for him from most media.
    Well, maybe, it's true they are pretty biased against him. But still, I just don't like what I'm seeing. We'll have to agree to disagree on Chavez.
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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The Iranians may accuse America of bad things, but that doesn't mean their accusations are true or rational.
    What kind of things does Iran say about the US that are irrational or untrue?

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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    What kind of things does Iran say about the US that are irrational or untrue?
    Well, assuming they believe similar to what their government says... The US is a nation of immoral infidels who are trying to bar the coming apocalypse against all non Shi'ite Muslims. They are run by Shi'iah Islamic fundamentalism. The fact that we don't execute children (like they do) or the fact that we have equal rights for women (which they don't) qualifies us for being immoral and not following the words of Allah's messenger (Muhammad). There is also the propaganda being pushed in Iran as well. Things like saying that Jews run the west and pull the strings from Israel and that there is a grave zionist conspiracy to take over the world... Iran says many irrational and untrue things, especially about the US and Israel. They call the US the great satan as well and believe the US and Israel (the little satan) must be destroyed before the apocalypse can start.
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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    It's not sabre rattling
    The propaganda that comes out of the US regarding Iraq is sabre rattling.

    to stand up against a theocratical dictatorship that is lying to nuclear authorities
    First, Iran hasn't violated the NPT, and besides that's none of the US's business.

    Second, you apparently haven't heard about the latest developments in Iran's nuclear program.

    and making war-like claims against one of our allies (Israel) and demonizes us as the great satan who is trying to prevent the apocalypse.
    Yes, rhetoric. Talk is cheap. We've already been over this.

    If anything, I don't think we have been hard enough on Iran, they still continue to lie and pursue nuclear weapons.
    So what?


    The Iranians may accuse America of bad things, but that doesn't mean their accusations are true or rational.
    The same can be said for the Americans' claims.

    The US is a nation of immoral infidels who are trying to bar the coming apocalypse against all non Shi'ite Muslims.
    And Iran is in the Axis of Evil...

    Anyways, the rhetoric on both sides (you of course are spewing it from the American perspective) is counterproductive. You're contributing to the problem, not helping to solve it. What do you think the US policy towards Iran should be?
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