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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Even if the Iranian government has the support of a majority of Iranians, that doesn't make them any less dictatorial.
    Isn't that sort of. A self defeating statement?

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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Isn't that sort of. A self defeating statement?
    No, there have been many dictatorships which managed to whip up support amongst the populace from time to time. But unless the population has the ability to choose it's government through free and fair elections, then it's a dictatorship.
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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    Hrrm, in that if support for the current government were to ever completely fail they may not be able to replace them, I can see your point.

    Curiosity: Do you think Venezuela is a dictatorship?

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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Curiosity: Do you think Venezuela is a dictatorship?
    Venezuela is tricky. Chavez was democratically elected initially, but since then he's gotten more and more authoritarian, and is rigging the systems in his favour. I think Chavez has ambitions to be a dictator, as he acts quite thuggish, so I wouldn't put it past him to become one. I don't know if I would categorize Venezuela as a dictatorship just yet though...
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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Venezuela is tricky. Chavez was democratically elected initially, but since then he's gotten more and more authoritarian, and is rigging the systems in his favour. I think Chavez has ambitions to be a dictator, as he acts quite thuggish, so I wouldn't put it past him to become one. I don't know if I would categorize Venezuela as a dictatorship just yet though...
    rigging the system? examples plz? Thuggish? How?

    Just want to know what you think, its been a while since I have read on him.

    I would say Chavez acts to the extent of the authority he legally has, which he has acquired through legal means (as far as I know). Ill just put my cards on the table and say that in a world and country where one can choose no middle ground on the topic I am slightly Chavista. My family, is fervently anti-chavez.

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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    rigging the system? examples plz? Thuggish? How?

    Just want to know what you think, its been a while since I have read on him.

    I would say Chavez acts to the extent of the authority he legally has, which he has acquired through legal means (as far as I know). Ill just put my cards on the table and say that in a world and country where one can choose no middle ground on the topic I am slightly Chavista. My family, is fervently anti-chavez.
    Well he had the Constitution amended to take away the term limits on his Presidency, that's one example. I'd have to look up others but I know some stuff has happened.

    Re: thuggishness: Chavez has been putting a lot of pressure on those TV channels and radio stations which are opposed to him. Putting them out of business in some cases, that doesn't strike me as something that a democratic person would do. Also, more recently, Chavez has put troops in the streets enforcing his price controls in stores and such.

    Much of what he does just seems authoritarian and pseudo-dictatorial to me.

    Don't get me wrong, when Chavez first came to power I was willing to give the guy a chance, see what he did and how he acted. I wasn't immediately set against him like many right-wingers were. But over time I have turned against him.
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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM
    Agreed, talk is especially cheap when it comes from chest thumping dictatorships like Iran.
    The US is just as guilty of it as Iran. There is sabre rattling on both sides.
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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The US is just as guilty of it as Iran. There is sabre rattling on both sides.
    That's true, it's like a big dick waving competition. Humanity can be so childish oftentimes, it's pathetic.
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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

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    'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'



    Is Ahmadinejad being literal about some kind of physical military attack which would be suicidal if we had a president we could count on. Or is he making a threat about some economic plan he has in mind.

    It could just be more talk or much more dangerous like setting off a nuclear bomb.

    I know there is a lot of talk about about how long it takes for a nation to build their first bomb but it's BS because with the right amount of material any 8th grader could tell you how it works just from watching the History Channel program on the Manhattan Project.
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    Re: 'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The US is just as guilty of it as Iran. There is sabre rattling on both sides.
    What is the US guilty of? Not killing and jailing those who speak out against our government, forcing women to wear curtains, or putting a theocratic dictatorship in unchecked power? The US isn't like Iran, although the US isn't perfect (no nation is) we aren't nearly as bad as Iran, nor are we equals when it comes to "blame."

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