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    Re: Baptist Group Accused of Child Trafficking

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Sorry if I believe in the rule of law.

    Sorry if I believe that people who break rules should suffer the consequences of breaking such rules.

    Sorry if I believe that being stupid or religious is not an excuse for not following the law.

    This has nothing to do with them being Americans, or religious.. I could care less about that. You and others seem to be using these 2 facts as some sort of excuse for their actions, which is pathetic attitude. Just because you are religious or an American, does not mean that you can dismiss local laws and rules as you see fit.

    For god sake, some of the kids were not even freaking orphans and were picked off the street often meters from their homes..
    Answer this question.

    How do the missionaries get paper work to take them to an orphanage when all the government buildings have been destroyed?

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    Re: Baptist Group Accused of Child Trafficking

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    How do the missionaries get paper work to take them to a orphanage when all the government buildings have been destroyed?
    Funny how others have had nooo problems getting government approval...before the government halted all adoptions for the time being because of the fear of child trafficking.

    Point is, they tried to help sure, but in doing so they ignored the law of the land and now they must suffer those consequences whatever that it may be.
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    Re: Baptist Group Accused of Child Trafficking

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Answer this question.

    How do the missionaries get paper work to take them to an orphanage when all the government buildings have been destroyed?
    They dont, since there is a ban on adoptions and taking kids out of the country. And considering others have gotten the paper work needed and permission needed, then it cant be that hard.
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    Re: Baptist Group Accused of Child Trafficking

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    For god sake, some of the kids were not even freaking orphans and were picked off the street often meters from their homes..
    Can you show where in this article it says that orphans were just picked up meters from their homes? kthanx

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    Re: Baptist Group Accused of Child Trafficking

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    They dont, since there is a ban on adoptions and taking kids out of the country. And considering others have gotten the paper work needed and permission needed, then it cant be that hard.
    So it is better to leave them starving in the street?

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    Re: Baptist Group Accused of Child Trafficking

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So it is better to leave them starving in the street?
    Who said they were starving? No where in the material anywhere on the net does it say they were starving children.

    But today we learn, that of the 33 children, 21 were not even orphans. They came in fact from the same village and were willingly given up by the parents/relatives or so it seems. Even if the parents willing gave up these children, then it STILL requires official documentation and permission from the authorities and still does not explain why these 10 said they were orphans when they were not. What else did they "lie" about?

    Haiti says US missionaries could face kidnapping charges - Telegraph

    I fully understand the situation in Haitii but that does not excuse these people for breaking local laws and international law on the subject regardless of their intentions.
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    Re: Baptist Group Accused of Child Trafficking

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Can you show where in this article it says that orphans were just picked up meters from their homes? kthanx
    This article no.

    But was widely reported on the TV news over here and it fits with the reports we are now getting that 21 out 33 were from the same village and "given up" by the parents/relatives.

    Not that it really matters.. the facts are coming out.

    Not orphans, no documentation, no permission from the government and sketchy permission from parents/relatives. Add to that a ban on adoptions or/and taking children out of Haiti, I simply can not phantom how anyone could defend these peoples action regardless of the motive.

    Yes it was a noble motive (if true) to help these children, but it does not change the fact the 10 lied, did not have permission or documentation and so on. Under international law and Haitian law this is child trafficking pure and simple.

    There was a case a few years ago when "well meaning" French charity workers from some church also, were busted for doing exactly the same thing with 107 children in Chad. It was wrong then and is wrong now.
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    Re: Baptist Group Accused of Child Trafficking

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    This article no.
    OK, then your attempt to smear these men and women as having scooped up children off their doorsteps is noted and dismissed as you blatantly lying.

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    Re: Baptist Group Accused of Child Trafficking

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Sorry if I believe in the rule of law.

    Sorry if I believe that people who break rules should suffer the consequences of breaking such rules.

    Sorry if I believe that being stupid or religious is not an excuse for not following the law.

    This has nothing to do with them being Americans, or religious.. I could care less about that. You and others seem to be using these 2 facts as some sort of excuse for their actions, which is pathetic attitude. Just because you are religious or an American, does not mean that you can dismiss local laws and rules as you see fit.

    For god sake, some of the kids were not even freaking orphans and were picked off the street often meters from their homes..
    You're such an unbelievable phony. This has everything to do with your hatred of all things American and Christian. You're not fooling anyone with your nonsense.

    Sorry if I believe in the rule of law!! In Haiti...

    Last time I checked, the law was not the ultimate moral authority in the universe, and your silly appeal to the law is nothing more than a convenient bumper-sticker sentiment that fails to encapsulate the ethical complexity of the situation.

    These people were trying to save the lives of innocent children in a ravaged country with a hopelessly corrupt government, and you condemn them without hesitation because they supposedly broke the laws of a country that really doesn't have any real laws to begin with. I suppose you'd be trying to uphold the rule of law in Somalia, too?

    We see right through your diaphanous bumper-sticker slogans, Pete. But please, continue making an ass of yourself, like you always do...

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    Re: Baptist Group Accused of Child Trafficking

    Christians are supposed to be law abiding and now this ..tsk ..tsk

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