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    Re: Thousands protest in Tokyo against U.S. military presence in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    Preservation of peace is not free and requires active involvement and strategic planning. The world's most costly and deadly war came about fueled in part by the very same type of sentiment as you express here.
    A war will not break out because we shut down a nothing base in Okinawa.

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    Re: Thousands protest in Tokyo against U.S. military presence in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    The reason it's there is deterrence, which by definition never appears to be needed if it's successful in accomplishing it's goal.
    Deterrence against China? Yeah, China is totally gonna invade Japan. That's not really a good argument "But but China might invade Japan...it could happen..."
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    Re: Thousands protest in Tokyo against U.S. military presence in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Deterrence against China? Yeah, China is totally gonna invade Japan. That's not really a good argument "But but China might invade Japan...it could happen..."
    Who ever said anything about China invading?

    But since you mentioned the 'I' word let me note that the Allied powers prior to WWII never thought Germany was going to do anything either. So you'll have to excuse me if I find no value in your opinion here.
    "Hitler, I am convinced, does not want a war. He is susceptible to reason in matters of foreign policy. He is greatly anxious to make Germany self-respecting and is himself anxious to be respectable. He may be described as the most moderate member of his party."

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    Re: Thousands protest in Tokyo against U.S. military presence in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    A war will not break out because we shut down a nothing base in Okinawa.
    From your mouth to God's ear.

    Wiser men than yourself have made grave miscalculations. So you'll have to excuse me if I find no value in your opinion here.


    "Why should there be a war with Japan? I do not believe there is the slightest chance of it in our lifetime. . .War with Japan is not a possibility that any reasonable government need to take into account."

    Winston Churchill 1924

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    "There has scarcely been a period in the world's history when war seems less likely than it does at present."

    Lord Robert Cecil of Britain addressing the League of Nations two weeks prior to Japan's invasion of Manchuria in 1931.
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    Re: Thousands protest in Tokyo against U.S. military presence in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    From your mouth to God's ear.

    Wiser men than yourself have made grave miscalculations. So you'll have to excuse me if I find no value in your opinion here.


    "Why should there be a war with Japan? I do not believe there is the slightest chance of it in our lifetime. . .War with Japan is not a possibility with Japan that any reasonable government need to take into account."

    Winston Churchill 1924

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    "There has scarcely been a period in the world's history when war seems less likely than it does at present."

    Lord Robert Cecil of Britain addressing the League of Nations two weeks prior to Japan's invasion of China in 1931.
    Sorry, but "anything could happen" is not a valid argument.

    The base in Okinawa isn't stopping any wars from breaking out, and the Japanese people don't want it in their country.

    Shut the place down and send the Marines to Afghanistan.

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    Re: Thousands protest in Tokyo against U.S. military presence in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Sorry, but "anything could happen" is not a valid argument.
    This is not a valid argument:
    "A war will not break out because we shut down a nothing base in Okinawa."

    The base in Okinawa isn't stopping any wars from breaking out,
    Still not a valid argument.

    and the Japanese people don't want it in their country.
    Here is a valid point, but one not addressing the important issue at hand.
    "Muslims are OBLIGATED to raid the lands of the infidels, occupy them, and exchange their systems of governance for an Islamic system. . .They say that our sharia does not impose our particular beliefs upon others; this is a false assertion. For it is, in fact, part of our religion to IMPOSE our particular beliefs upon others." -bin Laden

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    Re: Thousands protest in Tokyo against U.S. military presence in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    This is not a valid argument:
    "A war will not break out because we shut down a nothing base in Okinawa."


    Still not a valid argument.
    The Marine base in Okinawa is not the reason other countries don't attack Japan - it just isn't. If you want to pretend that this is the case, then be my guest.

    Here is a valid point, but one not addressing the important issue at hand.
    Apparently, the Japanese people aren't as concerned about the possibility of war as you are. Do you know something they don't?

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    Re: Thousands protest in Tokyo against U.S. military presence in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The Marine base in Okinawa is not the reason other countries don't attack Japan - it just isn't. If you want to pretend that this is the case, then be my guest.
    Like AgentM, you are making assumptions about my position if not creating strawmen. I never said anything about the base on Okinawa preventing attacks on Japan. Surely the American military bases around the world are not in the locations they are for the sole purpose of defending the nation they are located in.

    Apparently, the Japanese people aren't as concerned about the possibility of war as you are. Do you know something they don't?
    And little if any of the people of the Allied powers prior to WWII were concerned about Germany and Hitler attacking them either and we all know how that turned out.
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    Re: Thousands protest in Tokyo against U.S. military presence in Japan

    It's just funny how you two, AgentM and Ethereal, just seem to assume the base is there only to protect Japan.

    Have you never heard of the issues with China and Taiwan and about the rogue state of N. Korea??? Just to name the most visible tensions in that arena of competition.
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    Re: Thousands protest in Tokyo against U.S. military presence in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    Like AgentM, you are making assumptions about my position if not creating strawmen. I never said anything about the base on Okinawa preventing attacks on Japan. Surely the American military bases around the world are not in the locations they are for the sole purpose of defending the nation they are located in.
    We can no longer afford to maintain military bases all over the world. We need to start looking at the non-essential ones and decommissioning them. The Marine base in Okinawa is just a way-station for MEU's. The regional force projection is no longer worth the cost, especially when we have other equally efficacious deterrents at our disposal. Moreover, the region itself is quite stable and there is little reason to believe that will change anytime in the near future. Your constant refrain of "anything could happen" is not a sound reason for spending billions of dollars to maintain a military presence on foreign soil, especially when our country faces financial insolvency.

    And little if any of the people of the Allied powers prior to WWII were concerned about Germany and Hitler attacking them either and we all know how that turned out.
    Who should the Japanese be concerned about? Last time I checked, there wasn't an insane dictator amassing an army at their borders.

    Oh wait! I forgot...anything could happen...

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