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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    He has obviously located the book entitled George W. Bush in the right hand drawer and has read it cover to cover.
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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Ok fair point but he does say 'we' not 'I'. Also does it matter who does the talking? Diplomats are paid for a reason
    Nice spin but not credibile. Obama was going to be the great speaker that could fix this. Now he is using the military. Does that just make him another chicken hawk president that never served in the military?

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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Nice spin but not credibile. Obama was going to be the great speaker that could fix this. Now he is using the military. Does that just make him another chicken hawk president that never served in the military?
    He never argued against using the military all together, indeed he refused to rule out an attack on Iran, its hardly either-or.

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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    He never argued against using the military all together, indeed he refused to rule out an attack on Iran, its hardly either-or.
    Yet he has not done what he said he would.

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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

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    So much for Obama talking to Iran
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    Obama is the one who claimed negotiations was needed
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    Yet he has not done what he said he would.
    Well, just what would you have him do? Invade Iran? And for what? Just because they've violated U.N. nuclear regulatory resolutions? I've said it before and I'll say it again, just because a nation violates a U.N. mandate does NOT mean that it is a U.S.A problem! We are NOT the police force of the world!! And I really wish folks would get that through their heads.

    And so what if during the campaign trail someone asked the question whether or not then Sen. Obama would be willing to have talks with troubling nations w/o pre-conditions and one of those nations mentioned happened to be Iran. The man said, "Yes", he would be willing to sit and hold talks. And? You're upset that he didn't mention Iran by name. Well, Russia wasn't among the countries mentioned yet he used them as a example of how former Presidents did hold talks with them to stem escalating troubles. What's your point? It was a general question and he answered it. Instead of trying to spin it to make a big deal out of nothing, let's just move on shall we? Frankly, I'd think you guys (the opposition) would applaud this move against Iran. Instead, you're once again condemning any action the man takes. Just what would you have him do in this situation?

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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Well, the disgust of partisan slaves is proven again.

    Where are the Bush haters who would most certainly call this an instigation of war? Where are the "No War For Oil" hypocrits? Where are the whiners who accused Bush of looking to start a war with Russia over a missile defense shield in Poland?

    Despite the morons of the world, Obama was never the leftist pig they dreamed they were getting. Campaign promises are for those who need their illusions. He is an American President, not a European President. Promises of "change" had everything to do with America...not the world. The man in the White House will always change, but the world will always be the same.

    Sooner or later the world will see the Middle East for what it is and then they will want a seat on the American bus instead of constgantly fighting us every step of the way. And every step of the way brings further proof that their apathy is doing no good. It took Obama to merely step into the White House and get exposed to the intel and reality he was once not privy to for him to realize the world for what it is. Iran will always be Iran as long as Ahmenadejed and his religious masters control Iran. Russia will always be Russia as long as Russia is ruled. And the Middle East will always be the Middle East as long as education and common sense is replaced with ignorance, religious prescription, and tribal oppression.

    But stuck with these things we are. No amount of talk will change culture. No amount of bribery will change the soul. And no amount of bleeding heart promises will protect our way of life from those who wish to lift their wrecked and failing cultures up above the dead carcass of ours.

    Perhaps Obama recognizes what most people with a brain have recognized for years. There is a storm brewing and what we have seen so far is nothing. The "Clash of Civilizations" is going to happen. Unfortunately, America will have to see a couple more mass disasters first and Europeans will have to see grave death upon their soil before they acknowledge it. The future does not belong to God's self appointed executioners or the tens of millions of bystanders who do nothing to correct a region's prescription to exponentially create them.

    One day...they will harnass nuclear weapons. At this point, it will be too late to be "humane" for our defense. But this is exactly where the global left and bleeding hearts always push us with their ignorance on reality. We will attack Iran eventually. It's only a matter of assigning a death toll before we green light the bombs. (Of course, it will be a lot harder for our military to accomplish their missions at that point too.)
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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Well, just what would you have him do? Invade Iran? And for what? Just because they've violated U.N. nuclear regulatory resolutions? I've said it before and I'll say it again, just because a nation violates a U.N. mandate does NOT mean that it is a U.S.A problem! We are NOT the police force of the world!! And I really wish folks would get that through their heads.

    And so what if during the campaign trail someone asked the question whether or not then Sen. Obama would be willing to have talks with troubling nations w/o pre-conditions and one of those nations mentioned happened to be Iran. The man said, "Yes", he would be willing to sit and hold talks. And? You're upset that he didn't mention Iran by name. Well, Russia wasn't among the countries mentioned yet he used them as a example of how former Presidents did hold talks with them to stem escalating troubles. What's your point? It was a general question and he answered it. Instead of trying to spin it to make a big deal out of nothing, let's just move on shall we? Frankly, I'd think you guys (the opposition) would applaud this move against Iran. Instead, you're once again condemning any action the man takes. Just what would you have him do in this situation?
    He said he would talk now instead he is using the military. Sounds like he is more like Bush than you are ready to admit.

    Does this make Obama a chicken hawk?

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