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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Your personal bank account isn't "funding these little adventures" and has no more stress placed upon it than any other American's. You pay taxes just like everyone else and that collective fund pays for things like national defense and our military. The money is no longer yours; it becomes the State's.
    In that case I'd like my share of the money back. We all funded Bush's adventures and now we have to fund Obama's. We've been in Afghanistan for about 8 years and Iraq for about 7. That's 15 years worth of 2 wars. I'm not sure we can afford another adventure in Iran.

    And it doesn't make me feel better to know my bank account is no more stressed than anyone else's. As a matter of fact it makes me feel just as bad for everyone else.
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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    When?
    U.S. and allies open talks with Iran on nuclear program - Los Angeles Times Read a newspaper, it helps

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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    In that case I'd like my share of the money back.
    You don't have a "share" of the money. You paid your taxes and now the money is in the coffers of the State. The idea that you have a "share" of the coffers of the State is as absurd as claiming you have a "share" of the proceeds from your grocer after paying for your weekly gocery bill.

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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You don't have a "share" of the money. You paid your taxes and now the money is in the coffers of the State. The idea that you have a "share" of the coffers of the State is as absurd as claiming you have a "share" of the proceeds from your grocer after paying for your weekly gocery bill.
    That doesn't add up.

    When I buy groceries I select and pay for ONLY those items I wish to purchase. I also select many items based on price. I have the freedom to choose or not choose exactly how I wish to spend my money.

    I have no such ability when I pay taxes. That money is taken from me in a myriad of ways and spent without any consent from me. Therefore I have a share and a stake in all transactions my government makes with my money. I do not care, nor is it any of my business, how my grocer spends my money after I willingly give it to him.

    Every American citizen has a share in the taxes that are taken from them via laws that are heavily enforced. If I refuse to pay those taxes I can be fined and imprisoned. I can assure you my grocer has never flashed a badge and threatened me with imprisonment if I didn't buy groceries from him.

    So you might want to rethink your grocery store analogy. One is a voluntary transaction between two private individuals. The other is a powerful entity taking money from an individual and spending that money however they see fit.

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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    That doesn't add up.
    It most certainly does add up. You pay your taxes to the state in exchange for the protection of the State, the joint infrastructure the State provides, and all the other public works.

    You don't get to demand where your money is spent except with your vote. When you voted, you voted for representation to decide how the State's coffers are spent.

    If you don't like how it's being spent, rethink your vote next time and cast it for someone more in line with how you think it should be spent.

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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It most certainly does add up. You pay your taxes to the state in exchange for the protection of the State, the joint infrastructure the State provides, and all the other public works.

    You don't get to demand where your money is spent except with your vote. When you voted, you voted for representation to decide how the State's coffers are spent.

    If you don't like how it's being spent, rethink your vote next time and cast it for someone more in line with how you think it should be spent.
    I do. Unfortunately they're not what one would call successful. And that leaves me with the wonderful option of a democrat or a republican. To put it another way: Different dogs with the same ol fleas.

    We live in the most culturally diverse nation on earth and yet we are represented (let's be honest) by only two political parties. And they are almost identical.

    So while I appreciate your advice to "rethink my vote" there's not really a whole lot to rethink is there? You're pretty much telling me if I don't like being robbed then I should choose my other option. Which is to be shot.
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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I remember Reagan negotiating with Russia, and when he was doing it, he was applying the pressure to them. If Obama wants Iran to know that missteps by them will have consequences, I am all for it. As much as I bash Obama, I have to give him kudos here.
    Maybe to little to late if they already have nukes

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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    In that case I'd like my share of the money back. We all funded Bush's adventures and now we have to fund Obama's. We've been in Afghanistan for about 8 years and Iraq for about 7. That's 15 years worth of 2 wars. I'm not sure we can afford another adventure in Iran.

    And it doesn't make me feel better to know my bank account is no more stressed than anyone else's. As a matter of fact it makes me feel just as bad for everyone else.
    You think it is stressed now you have seen nothing wait for Obama to get his healthcare passed.

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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    I do. Unfortunately they're not what one would call successful. And that leaves me with the wonderful option of a democrat or a republican. To put it another way: Different dogs with the same ol fleas.

    We live in the most culturally diverse nation on earth and yet we are represented (let's be honest) by only two political parties. And they are almost identical.

    So while I appreciate your advice to "rethink my vote" there's not really a whole lot to rethink is there? You're pretty much telling me if I don't like being robbed then I should choose my other option. Which is to be shot.
    Well it sounds to me like your issue isn't "funding these little adventures" as much as it is that you have a terrible case of sour grapes because your fringe politicians aren't getting elected.

    I'm not quite sure what to tell you other than it sounds like a personal problem to me. I guess you could always either move to a different country or spend energy getting your candidates elected.

    You do have another option which is to stop paying your taxes. However, that is not likely to end in an outcome you find enjoyable.

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    Re: US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Thats not Obama

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