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US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

It most certainly does add up. You pay your taxes to the state in exchange for the protection of the State, the joint infrastructure the State provides, and all the other public works.

You don't get to demand where your money is spent except with your vote. When you voted, you voted for representation to decide how the State's coffers are spent.

If you don't like how it's being spent, rethink your vote next time and cast it for someone more in line with how you think it should be spent.

I do. Unfortunately they're not what one would call successful. And that leaves me with the wonderful option of a democrat or a republican. To put it another way: Different dogs with the same ol fleas.

We live in the most culturally diverse nation on earth and yet we are represented (let's be honest) by only two political parties. And they are almost identical.

So while I appreciate your advice to "rethink my vote" there's not really a whole lot to rethink is there? You're pretty much telling me if I don't like being robbed then I should choose my other option. Which is to be shot.
 
I remember Reagan negotiating with Russia, and when he was doing it, he was applying the pressure to them. If Obama wants Iran to know that missteps by them will have consequences, I am all for it. As much as I bash Obama, I have to give him kudos here.

Maybe to little to late if they already have nukes
 
In that case I'd like my share of the money back. We all funded Bush's adventures and now we have to fund Obama's. We've been in Afghanistan for about 8 years and Iraq for about 7. That's 15 years worth of 2 wars. I'm not sure we can afford another adventure in Iran.

And it doesn't make me feel better to know my bank account is no more stressed than anyone else's. As a matter of fact it makes me feel just as bad for everyone else.

You think it is stressed now you have seen nothing wait for Obama to get his healthcare passed.
 
I do. Unfortunately they're not what one would call successful. And that leaves me with the wonderful option of a democrat or a republican. To put it another way: Different dogs with the same ol fleas.

We live in the most culturally diverse nation on earth and yet we are represented (let's be honest) by only two political parties. And they are almost identical.

So while I appreciate your advice to "rethink my vote" there's not really a whole lot to rethink is there? You're pretty much telling me if I don't like being robbed then I should choose my other option. Which is to be shot.

Well it sounds to me like your issue isn't "funding these little adventures" as much as it is that you have a terrible case of sour grapes because your fringe politicians aren't getting elected.

I'm not quite sure what to tell you other than it sounds like a personal problem to me. I guess you could always either move to a different country or spend energy getting your candidates elected.

You do have another option which is to stop paying your taxes. However, that is not likely to end in an outcome you find enjoyable.
 
We should just nuke 'em and get it over with. Too much hassle and money deploying missle shields in ME.
 
Well it sounds to me like your issue isn't "funding these little adventures" as much as it is that you have a terrible case of sour grapes because your fringe politicians aren't getting elected.

I'm not quite sure what to tell you other than it sounds like a personal problem to me. I guess you could always either move to a different country or spend energy getting your candidates elected.

You do have another option which is to stop paying your taxes. However, that is not likely to end in an outcome you find enjoyable.

No I would not. That would land in me prison.

I'm glad you understand my dilemma. :)
 
*Bangs head on table* Obama never said he personally would go Iran.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSFSUbMWenU"]YouTube- Obama: Sure, I'll meet with Castro, Chavez, Ahmadinejad, etc[/ame]
 
the dumbo administration today, february 2, 2010, has NO policy pertaining to iran, none

during his charming campaign he was all committed to meeting personally with the leaders of iran, reversing decades of responsible, adult united states foreign policy

he thought the power of his personality would make ahmedinejad swoon as if the scrawny dude in the bad suit who held our 52 for 444 days were a debatepolitics.com liberal

president pieface attempted his vaunted reachout from atop that pyramid in cairo, accomplishing bupkis

he might as well have been extending those long, bony arms to the republican caucus in baltimore

iran has flipped off our flummoxed chief at every turn

obama NEEDS putin onboard if he ever wants to imagine even placing sanctions against iran

but the puppet master is determinedly indisposed

as is hu in china

those two emerging superpowers will NEVER sanction the supreme leader

obama was so gung ho on his narcissistic reachout, he IGNORED the incipient and widespread freedom movement which broke out on the streets of tehran in the summer and in december, loathe to offend his imaginary negotiation partners

obama has wasted an entire year relative to iran, a 2009 fraught with potentials for meaningful and hopeful internal change in the world's leading shiite power

in doing so, obama has totally alienated the israelis, our only responsible partners in the region

in his snakelike sotu obtuse obama went out of his way to refer to the holocaust deniers as The Islamic Republic of Iran

hey, you few remaining obama supporters, none of whom are enthusiastic anymore, can you tell the rest of us exactly what is obama's policy pertaining to iran?

he can't
 
*Bangs head on table* Obama never said he personally would go Iran.

What? Obama said he would talk directly to Ahmedinejad on numerous occassions.
 
He has obviously located the book entitled George W. Bush in the right hand drawer and has read it cover to cover.
 
Ok fair point but he does say 'we' not 'I'. Also does it matter who does the talking? Diplomats are paid for a reason

Nice spin but not credibile. Obama was going to be the great speaker that could fix this. Now he is using the military. Does that just make him another chicken hawk president that never served in the military?
 
Nice spin but not credibile. Obama was going to be the great speaker that could fix this. Now he is using the military. Does that just make him another chicken hawk president that never served in the military?

He never argued against using the military all together, indeed he refused to rule out an attack on Iran, its hardly either-or.
 
He never argued against using the military all together, indeed he refused to rule out an attack on Iran, its hardly either-or.

Yet he has not done what he said he would.
 
It most certainly does add up. You pay your taxes to the state in exchange for the protection of the State, the joint infrastructure the State provides, and all the other public works.

You don't get to demand where your money is spent except with your vote. When you voted, you voted for representation to decide how the State's coffers are spent.

If you don't like how it's being spent, rethink your vote next time and cast it for someone more in line with how you think it should be spent.

Or he could protest with his feet.... leave.
 
So much for Obama talking to Iran

Obama is the one who claimed negotiations was needed

Yet he has not done what he said he would.

Well, just what would you have him do? Invade Iran? And for what? Just because they've violated U.N. nuclear regulatory resolutions? I've said it before and I'll say it again, just because a nation violates a U.N. mandate does NOT mean that it is a U.S.A problem! We are NOT the police force of the world!! And I really wish folks would get that through their heads.

And so what if during the campaign trail someone asked the question whether or not then Sen. Obama would be willing to have talks with troubling nations w/o pre-conditions and one of those nations mentioned happened to be Iran. The man said, "Yes", he would be willing to sit and hold talks. And? You're upset that he didn't mention Iran by name. Well, Russia wasn't among the countries mentioned yet he used them as a example of how former Presidents did hold talks with them to stem escalating troubles. What's your point? It was a general question and he answered it. Instead of trying to spin it to make a big deal out of nothing, let's just move on shall we? Frankly, I'd think you guys (the opposition) would applaud this move against Iran. Instead, you're once again condemning any action the man takes. Just what would you have him do in this situation?
 
Well, the disgust of partisan slaves is proven again.

Where are the Bush haters who would most certainly call this an instigation of war? Where are the "No War For Oil" hypocrits? Where are the whiners who accused Bush of looking to start a war with Russia over a missile defense shield in Poland?

Despite the morons of the world, Obama was never the leftist pig they dreamed they were getting. Campaign promises are for those who need their illusions. He is an American President, not a European President. Promises of "change" had everything to do with America...not the world. The man in the White House will always change, but the world will always be the same.

Sooner or later the world will see the Middle East for what it is and then they will want a seat on the American bus instead of constgantly fighting us every step of the way. And every step of the way brings further proof that their apathy is doing no good. It took Obama to merely step into the White House and get exposed to the intel and reality he was once not privy to for him to realize the world for what it is. Iran will always be Iran as long as Ahmenadejed and his religious masters control Iran. Russia will always be Russia as long as Russia is ruled. And the Middle East will always be the Middle East as long as education and common sense is replaced with ignorance, religious prescription, and tribal oppression.

But stuck with these things we are. No amount of talk will change culture. No amount of bribery will change the soul. And no amount of bleeding heart promises will protect our way of life from those who wish to lift their wrecked and failing cultures up above the dead carcass of ours.

Perhaps Obama recognizes what most people with a brain have recognized for years. There is a storm brewing and what we have seen so far is nothing. The "Clash of Civilizations" is going to happen. Unfortunately, America will have to see a couple more mass disasters first and Europeans will have to see grave death upon their soil before they acknowledge it. The future does not belong to God's self appointed executioners or the tens of millions of bystanders who do nothing to correct a region's prescription to exponentially create them.

One day...they will harnass nuclear weapons. At this point, it will be too late to be "humane" for our defense. But this is exactly where the global left and bleeding hearts always push us with their ignorance on reality. We will attack Iran eventually. It's only a matter of assigning a death toll before we green light the bombs. (Of course, it will be a lot harder for our military to accomplish their missions at that point too.)
 
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Well, just what would you have him do? Invade Iran? And for what? Just because they've violated U.N. nuclear regulatory resolutions? I've said it before and I'll say it again, just because a nation violates a U.N. mandate does NOT mean that it is a U.S.A problem! We are NOT the police force of the world!! And I really wish folks would get that through their heads.

And so what if during the campaign trail someone asked the question whether or not then Sen. Obama would be willing to have talks with troubling nations w/o pre-conditions and one of those nations mentioned happened to be Iran. The man said, "Yes", he would be willing to sit and hold talks. And? You're upset that he didn't mention Iran by name. Well, Russia wasn't among the countries mentioned yet he used them as a example of how former Presidents did hold talks with them to stem escalating troubles. What's your point? It was a general question and he answered it. Instead of trying to spin it to make a big deal out of nothing, let's just move on shall we? Frankly, I'd think you guys (the opposition) would applaud this move against Iran. Instead, you're once again condemning any action the man takes. Just what would you have him do in this situation?

He said he would talk now instead he is using the military. Sounds like he is more like Bush than you are ready to admit.

Does this make Obama a chicken hawk?
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