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    Re: Haiti detains Americans taking kids across border

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I keep trying to put myself in the shoes of the officials who 'caught' these aid workers. With the knowledge that criminals are trying to make off with children for nefarious purposes, What would you think if you found people sneaking children out of the country? If you were suspicious enough, I don't think any of the documentation mentioned so far would convince you to go easy.
    Exactly, especially if you were under clear orders to not allow any adoptions.

    I also try to put myself in the shoes of the aid workers. If I had desperate children in my custody, I would probably try to get them to someplace safe, and damn the consequences if I got caught.
    Agree fully.. if their motives were genuine. We live in a bad world, where people do bad things during crisis like this. We have to be on the look out for such situations.

    It is just a bad situation, really, as desperate chaos usually is. I am not convinced that anyone in the situation is really wrong.
    That is incorrect. The aid workers/Missionaries are clearly in the wrong. Their motives might have been pure and so on, but that does not change they fact that they attempted to take 33 children out of a country without the consent of the government or anyone in an official position.

    Now they might just off with a slap on the wrist but does not change the fact what they did.
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    Re: Haiti detains Americans taking kids across border

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Exactly, especially if you were under clear orders to not allow any adoptions.



    Agree fully.. if their motives were genuine. We live in a bad world, where people do bad things during crisis like this. We have to be on the look out for such situations.



    That is incorrect. The aid workers/Missionaries are clearly in the wrong. Their motives might have been pure and so on, but that does not change they fact that they attempted to take 33 children out of a country without the consent of the government or anyone in an official position.

    Now they might just off with a slap on the wrist but does not change the fact what they did.
    Your bloviating is irrelevant. People are pitching in to help children. They were moving them only to another orphanage. You need to be ignored.
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    Re: Haiti detains Americans taking kids across border

    Removing Kids with out permission is the wrong way to go about things. who knows their actual intent?? Just because they are Americans, does not give them the right to remove children form their own country, with out going through the proper channels.
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    Re: Haiti detains Americans taking kids across border

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And there was clear cut message from the Haitian government days after the earthquake that ALL adoptions were halted for the time being because of the fear of child trafficking..
    They weren't being adopted. They were being temporarily moved to an orphanage in the Dominican Republic, due to overcrowding in Haiti.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    And just because they are missionaries then they are not suppose to follow the law?
    Governments don't have to uphold the letter of the law regardless of circumstance. That's just retarded.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    give me a freaking break. And just because they are missionaries then they are beyond reproach?
    No one has argued that. YOU are the one who keeps peppering the thread with anti-Christian garbage.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    Listen I had no clue that they were Christian missionaries when I posted my first post. It is irrelevant. It could be Jesus himself for all I care. You can not take children without the consent of the parents, legal guardians or/and government.
    Dude, there was a major earthquake and these people were trying to help. The ONLY reason you are insisting that the letter of the law be followed is because they are Christian (or maybe because they are American). You certainly have offered no rational reason why it should be.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    And in this case there was a clear message from the Haitians that adoptions were banned for the time being and the police were on the look out for child traffickers.
    Right...ON THE LOOK OUT for them. That's why they got stopped at the border; I understand that. Now that it's obvious that these people aren't child traffickers (despite your ridiculous claims to the contrary), it's time to let them go.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    So either these so called missionaries were insanely dumb or the deliberately kidnapped these kids for whatever reason, good will, child sex or illegal adoption.. does not matter... what they did was illegal.
    You, sir, are a bona fide idiot. I'm done arguing this subject with you.
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    Re: Haiti detains Americans taking kids across border

    The President of Haiti was trying to leave the country right after the disaster before he was caught and reminded of his duty.
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    Re: Haiti detains Americans taking kids across border

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Your bloviating is irrelevant. People are pitching in to help children. They were moving them only to another orphanage. You need to be ignored.
    As long as they don't wind up here I guess it's OK.....

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    Re: Haiti detains Americans taking kids across border

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Your bloviating is irrelevant. People are pitching in to help children. They were moving them only to another orphanage. You need to be ignored.
    Hardly irrelevant.. I am in fact 1000% correct and people defending these people are incorrect.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225825305982

    Most of the children taken by a US church group "have family" that survived the earthquake, head of the international care center, Patricia Vargas said .

    According to Ms Vargas' conversation with older children of the group, above seven years old, some of the youngsters "say their parents are alive, and some of them gave us an address and phone numbers," she said.
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    BBC News - Haiti arrests US nationals over child 'abductions'

    "This is an abduction, not an adoption," Haitian Social Affairs Minister Yves Christallin was quoted as saying by the AFP news agency.

    "What is important for us in Haiti is that a child needs to have an authorisation from this ministry to leave the country," Mr Christallin said.
    And before you use the "source" card on me

    Haiti's Government Holds 10 Americans On Suspicion Of Trying To Take Children Out Of The Country | World News | Sky News

    Same story.. from a News Corp owned media outlet, which btw the Australian also is.

    So it is getting pretty clear now..

    Some if not most of the 31 children are not even orphans. The so called missionaries did not get permission from the parents let alone the Haitian government. Hence what these people did is an abduction pure and simple and that is a criminal act regardless of the motive.
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    Re: Haiti detains Americans taking kids across border

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hardly irrelevant.. I am in fact 1000% correct and people defending these people are incorrect.

    Haiti kids taken by Americans 'have family': care centre | The Australian



    And

    BBC News - Haiti arrests US nationals over child 'abductions'



    And before you use the "source" card on me

    Haiti's Government Holds 10 Americans On Suspicion Of Trying To Take Children Out Of The Country | World News | Sky News

    Same story.. from a News Corp owned media outlet, which btw the Australian also is.

    So it is getting pretty clear now..

    Some if not most of the 31 children are not even orphans. The so called missionaries did not get permission from the parents let alone the Haitian government. Hence what these people did is an abduction pure and simple and that is a criminal act regardless of the motive.
    And where are those parents? Where???
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    Re: Haiti detains Americans taking kids across border

    I'll bet PeteEU has a nice comfy Spanish gulag we could put them in. Yeah, those mean ole American Christians trying to sneak those kids away from their parents (who are alive and well and were just planning to come get their children) and place them in some nasty old hotel on a beach in DR.
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    Re: Haiti detains Americans taking kids across border

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    How is that relavent?........

    If they broke the law, they should be punished....

    If I robbed a 7-11 because my kids were hungry, would you forgive me?.....
    Breaking the law in Haiti is like having unprotected sex with your wife. No big deal...

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