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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    Perhaps I can find something on Google, Groucho, I'm bothered by this "wonder" of yours, I think this is Al Gore and Bush in a 2000 debate, lets return 10 years and see where Republican thought processes are on health care, Obama a spokeperson for Lib plans in 2010, where were Bush and Repubs, I'm saddened so by your 'wonder' and confusion.

    BUSH: I’m absolutely opposed to a national health care plan. I don’t want the federal government making decisions for consumers or for providers. I remember what the administration tried to do in 1993. They tried to have a national health care plan, and fortunately it failed. I trust people; I don’t trust the federal government. I don’t want the federal government making decisions on behalf of everybody.
    Rock solid consistent here, so I'll assume this isn't the source of your wonder.

    BUSH: Step one is to reform the Medicare system. I want to call upon Republicans and Democrats to take care of a senior prescription drug program. I think it’s important to have what’s called Immediate Helping Hand, which is direct money to states so seniors don’t have to chose between food and medicine.
    This can't be a wonder either.

    Bush proposed spending an additional $67 billion over the decade to search for cures for age-old afflictions, including Alzheimer’s disease. “As president, I will fund and lead a medical moonshot to reach far beyond what seems possible today.’’ Specifically, Bush would complete a five-year plan already in progress in Congress to double NIH funding by 2003, to about $27 billion.
    Also poured billions into Africa for AIDS.

    The Bush plan will:Modernize Medicare.Give seniors a greater choice in plans with more options & access to the latest medical technology.
    Provide a prescription drug benefit now.Underwrite at least 25% of the cost of prescription drug premiums for all seniors.

    Provide catastrophic Medicare coverage. Ensure seniors suffering from life-threatening illnesses will never pay more than $6,000 annually for Medicare costs.

    Provide patients a bill of rights.Provide patient protections, like those in Texas, to ensure quality of care from health care providers.

    Provide access to health care for the uninsured and underserved.

    Refundable health credit of $2,000 to help purchase health insurance.

    Commit $3.6 billion over five years to build 1,200 new Community Health Centers.

    Support caregivers and long-term care. Additional exemption ($2,750 in 2000) for each elderly relative; plus 100% tax deduction for long-term care insurance premiums.
    Solid policies, still wonderin?

    This link continues on medical savings accounts, etc, you'll find many issues Repubs are promoting today, observers shouldn't think Groucho nor Glinda's being unaware of Republican policies on health care mean we have none.

    We've actualaly been quite specific and consistent, we just don't want a public plan nor an economy ruining/government expansion plan.

    Glinda/Groucho, I can link you to more Republican consistent health care reform policy if yer still wonderin.

    http://www.issues2000.org/george_w__...ealth_care.htm
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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    And what if they block things that are consistent with their own policy positions?
    Since Democrats oppose everything conservatives support, how would that happen?
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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Since Democrats oppose everything conservatives support, how would that happen?
    Take a look at what you just said: The Democrats (a political party) oppose everything conservatives (a political lean or mindset) support... That's not true at all. When you peel back the layers of punditry and look at voting records there are 'conservative' (left-center and right-center) Democrats. There are Democrats supportive of economic/tax policies favoring big business (especially ones in their state).

    Neither party has been truly fiscally conservative in the last decade. It's easy for the minority party to appear fiscally conservative by voting No on the stimulus package--meanwhile, taking credit for infrastructure projects and a modest extension of unemployment benefits to states hit hardest.

    The majority (whether it be Dems or GOP) tends to push for expansion of Government in areas that benefit their constituents, and deregulation in areas that benefit their corporate supporters.

    I'm hoping that the populists movements and recent state elections can push both parties toward a fiscally conservative, pragmatic center on spending.

    It will be interesting to see how the small business initiatives play out.

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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Right where we are today.

    Patient control and portability, patients bill of rights, driving down costs allowing interstate competition and tort reform, a health care savings account initiative, realizing medicare and medicaid responsibilities, funding medical research, putting patients first and empowering the individual rather than government, supporting health care happening between patient and doctor rather than government and patient.

    You are amazingly unaware as is the thanker of this post of yours, your "wonder" here, is it sincere?
    No, the wonder is this: Why didn't they implement any of that then, when they had the chance? If they really cared about the issue, why didn't they act on it?

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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Perhaps I can find something on Google, Groucho, I'm bothered by this "wonder" of yours, I think this is Al Gore and Bush in a 2000 debate, lets return 10 years and see where Republican thought processes are on health care, Obama a spokeperson for Lib plans in 2010, where were Bush and Repubs, I'm saddened so by your 'wonder' and confusion.
    No, no, you miss the point, but maybe I wasn't clear enough.

    Some conservatives absolutely say no health care reform at all. They are being consistent.

    Others say "Hey, we care about health care reform! We want to do something! So listen, instead of the democrat's plan, let's do ours instead!"

    My point is toward this second group: If you really truly cared about health care reform, why didn't you do anything about it when you had the power to? Why are you only acting on it now?

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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    No, no, you miss the point, but maybe I wasn't clear enough.

    Some conservatives absolutely say no health care reform at all. They are being consistent.

    Others say "Hey, we care about health care reform! We want to do something! So listen, instead of the democrat's plan, let's do ours instead!"

    My point is toward this second group: If you really truly cared about health care reform, why didn't you do anything about it when you had the power to? Why are you only acting on it now?
    Perhaps it is because we had (and still have) a far more pressing issue than government-run healthcare, and that is National Security.


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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    well, it's 24 hours later, so, naturally, the white house has a completely new line and spin

    all over the sunday talks they're repeating the mantra this morning that THEY'VE BEEN OPEN TO AND HAVE ACTUALLY ADOPTED QUITE A NUMBER OF REPUBLICAN IDEAS

    LOL!

    david gregory asked axelrod on mtp, do you think republicans want you and the economy to fail?

    ask john boehner (gregory's next guest), they've been sitting on the sidelines, we use their ideas

    on health care, gregory showed a clip of obama last year proclaiming loud and proud, "health care NOW"

    ax: the american people want it, lower premiums, costs, pre existings, rescission, outta pocket, we've incorporated republican ideas

    gibbs on cnn, asked by king about their once huge agenda now boiling down to jobs, jobs, jobs

    we talked about this in baltimore, we've done small biz tax cuts, infrastructure, gonna use money recovered from tarp to lend to small biz, the engine of jobs creation, in the range of a 100B jobs bill, d's and r's work together, hope r's meet us halfway

    gibbs' overall impression of baltimore---the recovery act (the admin's new term for "stimulus") had 300B in tax cuts, the recovery act implemented a lot of republican ideas, r's need to find something they like

    evan bayh on fns---i voted against the administration on medicaid funding, on reimbursement of doctors, the freeze is a good start, a wake up call

    john mccain and i actually wrote up parts of jim ryan's legislation, we're heading in a better direction

    unbelievable

    it looks like the white house mantra about "party of no" is turning universally into "we're open to republican ideas, we've always been open to republican ideas"

    the drama queens in the white house change their minds like teenage girls

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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    well, it's 24 hours later, so, naturally, the white house has a completely new line and spin

    all over the sunday talks they're repeating the mantra this morning that THEY'VE BEEN OPEN TO AND HAVE ACTUALLY ADOPTED QUITE A NUMBER OF REPUBLICAN IDEAS
    I seem to recall Onumbnuts bragging about his win and rubbing it in??

    LOL!
    My sentiment exactly!

    david gregory asked axelrod on mtp, do you think republicans want you and the economy to fail?

    ask john boehner (gregory's next guest), they've been sitting on the sidelines, we use their ideas

    on health care, gregory showed a clip of obama last year proclaiming loud and proud, "health care NOW"

    ax: the american people want it, lower premiums, costs, pre existings, rescission, outta pocket, we've incorporated republican ideas

    gibbs on cnn, asked by king about their once huge agenda now boiling down to jobs, jobs, jobs

    we talked about this in baltimore, we've done small biz tax cuts, infrastructure, gonna use money recovered from tarp to lend to small biz, the engine of jobs creation, in the range of a 100B jobs bill, d's and r's work together, hope r's meet us halfway

    gibbs' overall impression of baltimore---the recovery act (the admin's new term for "stimulus") had 300B in tax cuts, the recovery act implemented a lot of republican ideas, r's need to find something they like

    evan bayh on fns---i voted against the administration on medicaid funding, on reimbursement of doctors, the freeze is a good start, a wake up call

    john mccain and i actually wrote up parts of jim ryan's legislation, we're heading in a better direction

    it looks like the white house mantra about "party of no" is turning universally into "we're open to republican ideas, we've always been open to republican ideas"

    unbelievable

    the drama queens in the white house change their minds like teenage girls
    What a hot steaming pile of BS. Anyone even without a crystal ball knows the Democrats are in deep sh!t. All of this is nothing more than attempted damage control.


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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    saturday afternoon, cnn did back to back segments on the stimulus, which the administration now insists upon calling the recovery act

    the first 5 minutes was about aggregate industries, a cement company that got busted for its crummy construction on boston's big dig, the underground freeway that came in 1000% over budget and took almost 15 years to complete

    cnn reports that aggregate industries, which has paid its punishments and cleaned up its act, got 10 million of stimulus for what aggregate says is 100 jobs, or 100K per

    the second cnn segment talked about a train station in elyria, ohio, a town obama has twice visited

    4 million dollars of stimulus created or saved exactly 17 jobs, says cnn

    that's about 250K per

    finally, in fort collins, colorado, a wildfire prevention program is benefiting from 10.6 million dollars of obama-money for an unstated number of jobs

    the president is very, very correct about the "deficit of trust" he's been dwelling on since his sotu

    cnn seems quite critical

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