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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    I watched a lot of the footage and was thrilled with how Obama carried himself. Wow. I have been feeling so blah about his presidency, and loved what I watched.

    He knew his facts. He accepted fault with issues that have gone wrong. He blamed BOTH Democrats and Republicans for the tone in Washington. I didn't like how he interrupted some of the people who were asking him questions, but maybe he was getting defensive. Overall, I thought Obama shined. It was fascinating to watch.

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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    what is the defensive one's agenda post massachusetts?

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    Doesn't it seem rather...unpresidential?

    The way he's on TV every day...his tour abroad bowing and chastising American policy. His clownish attempt to get the Olympics(I mean, Hitler...got the Olympics...for God's sake). He holds a big TV press conference for health care, he gets lost on some Cambridge Police event exposing this...unpresidentialness...we come out of that knowing more about the beer summit than we do the health care plan. He then calls a Joint Session.....now....the last time a Joint Session was called was after 9-11, our nation tends to leave these monumental endeavors for something important, not politics and domesic squabbling. Our Republicans don't honor themselves with the "you lie" spout, the whole thing was...well....unpresidential. He now goes to squabble with the House Repubs....it's the Democratic leadership in the House and Senate that should be addressing Repubs, the President should address them all.

    He clearly pays attention to all the criticism, we all call that reading your own news. It's about as effective in leadership as it is on the sports fields, you start reading yer own press....it has a negative affect.

    Lead...Mr. Obama. Take a page out of your predecessor's genius book and lead. Quit campaigning, quit coming to Repubs with your bs, you tried to slam this health care bill through before last August recess, now telling us you're no idealogue. Please.

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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    clearly, the GOP got hosed
    Obama set them up, by getting the republicans to agree to air the Q&As live on tv
    it was like a pro playing ball against a bunch of amateurs; Obama then ate their lunch and then made them throw away his garbage ... all in public view

    it would appear the teleprompter is not so ncessary for him to score his points
    hell, Obama was having so much fun, which he openly admitted, they had a difficult time getting him to leave the dais. he willingly volunteered to stay longer and blast a few more of the GOP congressmens' underhand pitches out of the park
    I liked the Huffpo's headline on this:

    Obama Goes To GOP Lions' Den -- And Mauls The Lions

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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    First off, I'd like to thank Hazlnut for the measured and non insulting way he opened this thread. It was a real treat to open the thread and not be barraged with a slew of insults, but rather honest debate started.

    With that said though, I listened to the whole thing yesterday as I was on my way back from FL. I must admit that I found myself wanting to hear something akin to the ancient days of the Lion's den going on, but found myself surprised that Obama could stand up there in front of those repubs and say what he said with a straight face. Maybe he really believes it, I don't know, but if he does, it would seem that is more dangerous than if it were just some Marx driven plan.

    I have to agree with the Prof's, and Charles Martel's analysis. I found myself screaming at the radio before it was over, and changed the channel feeling the same way you do after you have just signed the papers for that 7 year old car, from the salesman in the loud sports jacket, knowing that you just paid too much for a piece of crap car that you just know will break down before you can pay it off.

    Rhetoric is a skill and with some Obama seemed to have been superior in delivering his talking points, but the tell, already mentioned here, in the exchange with Rep. Henserling he faltered by dismissing the concern as "talking points" and not addressing the question at all. That speaks volumes.

    In all, I don't think Obama lost in this, I think he set out to achieve what he wanted to achieve here. He bolstered his base that believes that he walks on water already, got himself some more face time on MSNBC, and told America that he was full steam ahead regardless of the losses it causes within his own party.

    I wonder if Chris Matthews forgot he was black again?.....Hmmmmmm.


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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    huffington---LOL!

    how 'bout abc: "president obama: republicans portraying health care as 'bolshevik plot'"

    President Obama to Address House GOP Conference, Push Bipartisanship - ABC News

    reuters' lead in: "President Barack Obama on Friday engaged in a rare face-to-face showdown with Republican critics and testily accused them of trying to block his policies while urging them to "join with me" in creating jobs."

    Obama, Republicans clash in unusual session | Reuters

    and, once more, what's the testy one's agenda, post MA?

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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    once more, what's the testy one's agenda, post MA?

    I think it is safe to say, that his agenda is that which has been spelled out by Saul Alenski. When faced with this type of adversity, step on the gas.


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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I watched a lot of the footage and was thrilled with how Obama carried himself. Wow. I have been feeling so blah about his presidency, and loved what I watched.

    He knew his facts. He accepted fault with issues that have gone wrong. He blamed BOTH Democrats and Republicans for the tone in Washington. I didn't like how he interrupted some of the people who were asking him questions, but maybe he was getting defensive. Overall, I thought Obama shined. It was fascinating to watch.


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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    Look, people -- it's all politics. Obama took a disadvantage and played it well, building up his base, looking Presidential and, along with a good SOTU speech, made a bit of a comeback after a bad week for Democrats otherwise.

    Politics is theater these days, and has been for a while, certainly since Reagan. Sometimes image is more important than substance. It's sad but true. It certainly explains the popularity of not only Palin but also Obama to a lesser extent.

    I agree that Obama ignored certain questions, dodged others, and changed the question to what he wanted to answer instead of necessarily what was asked of him. ALL good politicians do that. (Hell, all good lawyers do that.) Watch any good politician being interviewed on TV and see how often they really answer the question and how often they instead change the question to the talking points they want to make. This is true of both parties of course.

    Is this good for democracy? Not really. But that's how the game is played these days. Political consultants on both sides know this.

    You can't fault Obama for being able to play the game better than the other guys.

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    Re: Obama, Republicans Spar at House GOP Event

    The headline should have been "Obama Maintains His Amateur Status"

    You can't spend a year cutting a group, even the opposition, out of akmist every discussion, bad them at every turn, take no responsibility for your own failures and missteps and then expect a sudden resh of cooperation when your foolishness finally catches up and you find that your playing the roll of dictator has brought you to the point that only more loses are in the foreseeable future if you don't start to learn from your own history.

    Obam is lucky anyone but the Wacko Liberals will talk to him at all he's bungled everything except his lies and propaganda so far.

    Personally I can say that as much as I disliked much of what Bush did Obama is the first in that Office for whom i have Zero respect, because of what he has done, tried and has proposed almost all of it Anti-American and in violation of his Oath.

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