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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Can it pull 80,000 lbs+ over mountains? It would not last and would take to long to recharge.

    I will not get an electric Harley
    What's your point? Just because motorcycles and uber-enormous trucks might not be the best fit for electricity doesn't make the technology worthless for everything that ISN'T in those niches.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Can it pull 80,000 lbs+ over mountains?
    Can your truck?

    It would not last and would take to long to recharge.
    With the current technology, that's probably true.

    I will not get an electric Harley
    You seem to be operating under the impression that an engine powered by electricity is somehow fundamentally different in terms of output than an engine powered by gasoline. That's not the case. Assuming a powerful enough battery, it doesn't matter what's making the wheels turn so long as they turn.

    While it's true that the current technology is not there yet to entirely replace gasoline engines, there is nothing to indicate that it won't be there eventually.

    25 years from now, there will be electric Harleys that have twice the horsepower and 5 times the range of gasoline Harleys, all while costing 1/5th as much to ride. You think you'll still want a gasoline one then?
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The Tesla Roadster, which is already in use across the US, gets 244 miles per charge. Its next generation car, the Model S, will cost half as much and get 300 miles per charge once it makes its way into the market place in approx 2 years.
    It cost $100K, plus....and I will bet you an apology that the model S won't be for sale at half the price 2 years from now.
    Electric cars at this point, and 2 years from now, are only good for SHORT commutes....
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    It cost $100K, plus....and I will bet you an apology that the model S won't be for sale at half the price 2 years from now.
    Almost...the retail price will be $57K for the regular version, or $65K for a premium model with a 300+ mile range. I think people underestimate how quickly the prices drop for emerging technologies.

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    Electric cars at this point, and 2 years from now, are only good for SHORT commutes....
    By the time we could get nuclear plants online in 10 years, electric cars will be cheap enough and powerful enough to enter the mainstream.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    It cost $100K, plus....and I will bet you an apology that the model S won't be for sale at half the price 2 years from now.
    Electric cars at this point, and 2 years from now, are only good for SHORT commutes....
    A hand held calculator was at least $100.00 when it first came out. Now they give them away. What's your point?

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    It cost $100K, plus....and I will bet you an apology that the model S won't be for sale at half the price 2 years from now.
    Electric cars at this point, and 2 years from now, are only good for SHORT commutes....
    As Kandahar pointed out, it's $57k or $65k (not counting the $7500 federal tax credit). Furthermore, the reason it's so expensive is because it's a luxury vehicle.

    Roadster:





    The Roadster is a sportscar designed by Lotus and goes from 0-60 in 3.9 seconds.

    The Model S is a luxury sedan:



    The price isn't that outlandish when you think of comparable cars.

    Furthermore, how do you figure they're only usable for short commutes? I don't think the average person drives more than 240 miles in a day.

    The point is that in approximately six years, we'll have gone from no viable electric cars to $110k cars that can travel 240 miles on a single charge to $58k cars that can travel 300 miles on a single charge. I wouldn't be surprised if 15 years from now they're comparably priced to regular cars.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What's your point? Just because motorcycles and uber-enormous trucks might not be the best fit for electricity doesn't make the technology worthless for everything that ISN'T in those niches.
    They need a lot of work to make them efficient and affordable.

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Can your truck?



    With the current technology, that's probably true.



    You seem to be operating under the impression that an engine powered by electricity is somehow fundamentally different in terms of output than an engine powered by gasoline. That's not the case. Assuming a powerful enough battery, it doesn't matter what's making the wheels turn so long as they turn.

    While it's true that the current technology is not there yet to entirely replace gasoline engines, there is nothing to indicate that it won't be there eventually.

    25 years from now, there will be electric Harleys that have twice the horsepower and 5 times the range of gasoline Harleys, all while costing 1/5th as much to ride. You think you'll still want a gasoline one then?
    I will keep my Harley that you can hear coming.

    Big trucks use power and gears to climb mountains. To get an electric motor and batteries to do that may take to much room and have to much weight. It will be a longtime in coming.

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Almost...the retail price will be $57K for the regular version, or $65K for a premium model with a 300+ mile range. I think people underestimate how quickly the prices drop for emerging technologies.



    By the time we could get nuclear plants online in 10 years, electric cars will be cheap enough and powerful enough to enter the mainstream.
    Keep dreaming

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Keep dreaming
    What an intelligent, well thought-out rebuttal. You completely changed my mind.
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