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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Primary use for oil is to fuel cars and trucks, not to make electricity. Less than 3% of electricity is produced by burning oil, and that is an old number. The percentage keeps going down.
    Nuclear is a replacement for coal, not oil.
    Electricity is no replacement for oil, not until we put about a hundred million battery powered cars on the road.
    By the time these new nuclear power plants can go online (or shortly thereafter) we very likely WILL have a hundred million battery-powered cars on the road. The time from conception to the plant actually going online is about 10 years.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    By the time these new nuclear power plants can go online (or shortly thereafter) we very likely WILL have a hundred million battery-powered cars on the road. The time from conception to the plant actually going online is about 10 years.
    then we will be importing a lot of the materials to make the batteries, and creating a new industry to recycle those batteries, and at best you will have a 50 mile range before needing to recharge the batteries.

    My guess is, things will get worse before they get better, and the issue will still be oil. AT least Jimmy Carter was smart enough to reduce speed limits back in his day.

    I worked as an operator and I&C tech at nuke plants, and I am a true believer in them, as replacement for coal.

    Coal's new best use might be to replace oil, if we can figure out a cheap way to convert coal to liquid or gaseous fuel to run our cars.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    then we will be importing a lot of the materials to make the batteries, and creating a new industry to recycle those batteries, and at best you will have a 50 mile range before needing to recharge the batteries.
    The Tesla Roadster, which is already in use across the US, gets 244 miles per charge. Its next generation car, the Model S, will cost half as much and get 300 miles per charge once it makes its way into the market place in approx 2 years.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The Tesla Roadster, which is already in use across the US, gets 244 miles per charge. Its next generation car, the Model S, will cost half as much and get 300 miles per charge once it makes its way into the market place in approx 2 years.
    Will not work for a work truck or a big truck.

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Will not work for a work truck or a big truck.
    Why not? There are already electric buses out there, so why couldn't we develop a truck?

    Actually, it looks like [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_electric_bus[/ame] some places already have:

    The Port of Los Angeles and South Coast Air Quality Management District have demonstrated a short-range heavy-duty all electric truck capable of hauling a fully loaded 40-foot (12 m) cargo container. The current design is capable of pulling a 60,000 lb (27 t) cargo container at speeds up to 40 mph (64 km/h) and has a range of between 30 and 60 miles (48 and 97 km).
    That sounds more substantial than your average truck user's needs.

    The fact that it doesn't yet work perfectly for one thing doesn't mean it's useless for all things. I'd guess that at minimum, 60% of the vehicles in this country could already be replaced with electric vehicles without requiring a significant change in day to day activity. As the technology gets better over time and they continue to expand the range, there's no reason why it couldn't replace combustion in nearly all vehicles.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I 100% support this. Good Job Obama
    Me too, very good, Mr. President, although the idealist in me wants a Constitutional Amendment to go with it...

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    I would rather see wind and solar pushed more.
    As what, exactly? These technologies are decades away from being able to distribute energy on a large scale; they're also somewhat impractical and difficult to maintain. Why shift resources away from a proven technology (nuclear) to fanciful alternatives that are viable only as supplements?

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Why not? There are already electric buses out there, so why couldn't we develop a truck?

    Actually, it looks like Battery electric vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia some places already have:



    That sounds more substantial than your average truck user's needs.

    The fact that it doesn't yet work perfectly for one thing doesn't mean it's useless for all things. I'd guess that at minimum, 60% of the vehicles in this country could already be replaced with electric vehicles without requiring a significant change in day to day activity. As the technology gets better over time and they continue to expand the range, there's no reason why it couldn't replace combustion in nearly all vehicles.
    Can it pull 80,000 lbs+ over mountains? It would not last and would take to long to recharge.

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    As what, exactly? These technologies are decades away from being able to distribute energy on a large scale; they're also somewhat impractical and difficult to maintain. Why shift resources away from a proven technology (nuclear) to fanciful alternatives that are viable only as supplements?
    The only reason why they may be decades away (although I don't believe it's that long) is because our antiquated mode of transmission. If the government would work on that we'd have it much sooner. We need to anyway.

    For God's sake China is doing it and they aren't nearly as advanced as we are.


    Meanwhile, China could well be on its way to blowing the U.S. out of the water when it comes to harnessing wind energy.

    This is a rare energy success story for a country whose carbon emissions were recorded as the highest in the world last year, according to the Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency.
    But the Chinese energy revolution has been quietly gaining strength, observers say.

    Like their American counterparts, Chinese tycoons are increasingly directing their investment into renewable power.

    Zhu Yuguo, ranks at 102 on the Forbes China Rich List, with a personal fortune of 5.71 billion Yuan and has invested heavily in the wind power industry.

    Steve Sawyer of the Global Wind Energy Council said: "China's wind energy market is unrecognizable from two years ago."

    "It is huge, huge, huge. But it is not realized yet in the outside world," Sawyer said in an interview with London's Guardian newspaper.

    China's wind generation has increased by more than 100 percent per year since 2005 and 20 per cent of the power supply to the venues of the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games will come from wind generators, according to the official state agency, Xinhua.

    It was initially hoped the country would generate 5 gigawatts of wind by 2010, but that goal was met three years early in 2007. The 2010 goal has now been revised to 10 gigawatts but experts say this could well hit 20 gigawatts.

    The Guanting Wind Farm in Beijing has installed capacity of 64.5 megawatts and has supplied 35 million kilowatts of electricity to Beijing so far.

    The wind farm is estimated to supply 100 million KWH per year to Beijing, or 300,000 KWH per day, enough to satisfy the consumption of 100,000 households.


    U.S., China lead way in tapping wind power - CNN.com

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    As the technology gets better over time and they continue to expand the range, there's no reason why it couldn't replace combustion in nearly all vehicles.

    Thinking outside the box can produce new technology that could be totally different from what we know today, removing some of the 'obstacles' of why something won't work.

    This research uses magnets to produce electricity rather than chemical reaction.


    Researchers at the University of Miami and at the Universities of Tokyo and Tohoku, Japan, have been able to prove the existence of a "spin battery," a battery that is "charged" by applying a large magnetic field to nano-magnets in a device called a magnetic tunnel junction (MTJ).

    The new technology is a step towards the creation of computer hard drives with no moving parts, which would be much faster, less expensive and use less energy than current ones. In the future, the new battery could be developed to power cars.

    Spin Battery: Physicist Develops Battery Using New Source Of Energy
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