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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I meant what I said: It's extremely toxic for our air. Go live in Shanghai for a while, then live in Vermont for a while. See if you notice the difference in air quality.
    I don't speak Chinese.

    Is Shanghai the whole planet, or just another socialist wonderhole?

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I don't speak Chinese.

    Is Shanghai the whole planet, or just another socialist wonderhole?

    Pick any oil-reliant city; you'll largely find the same thing. Are you seriously disputing that oil causes air pollution? Really?

    Perhaps instead of changing the subject to socialism every time you're losing an argument, you should either A) stay on the subject, or B) stop nitpicking at statements just to troll and then running away.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What's wrong with nuclear waste?

    It's small, easy to find, valuable, and when we really want to get rid of it, there'll always be Mecca.
    When you want to discuss this seriously I'll be waiting...



    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Nah. Use the nuclear reactors to breed u238 into Pu239, and use that to fuel both nuclear weapons and power reactors. Certainly the only reason the US imports uranium is the desire to leave the dirty processing to some other place, we have in-ground reserves of the stuff.
    And please do you homework before making ignorant statements like the above.

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why must it be 100% certainty in order for it to be safer than oil?
    You're kidding right?


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Take your chances? Oil kills thousands of people every year. Nuclear power kills almost none. Even the worst nuclear disaster in history, Chernobyl, killed at most 4,000 people by most estimates...and systems have improved a lot since then.
    Oil kills thousands of people every year? Care to site some examples? And btw the death toll is only a small part of the price paid at Chernobyl although I consider 4000 not something to write off as inconsequential. I don't consider the resettlement of 330,000 people and 600,000 severely exposed people not a big deal either. And don't forget the exclusion zone which I believe exists to this day.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The same could be said of oil. And it's a lot easier to just get the nuclear fuel up front.
    The same cannot be said of oil. Don't be absurd. But I'm not proposing oil is are best choice in the long run. I would rather see wind and solar pushed more.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sure, but nowhere near enough that we'd have to shell out as much money on uranium as we spend on oil.
    You don't know much about how the market and speculation effects the price of a commodity do you? You forget oil was really cheap once too.

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    You're kidding right?
    Umm no. Just because something isn't 100% certain doesn't mean it is completely worthless. 99.9% certainty is acceptable.

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01
    Oil kills thousands of people every year? Care to site some examples?
    Sure. You have the direct deaths from oil fires, oil spills, oil rig accidents, and refinery explosions. Then you have the indirect deaths from air pollution and wars caused or funded by oil.

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01
    And btw the death toll is only a small part of the price paid at Chernobyl although I consider 4000 not something to write off as inconsequential. I don't consider the resettlement of 330,000 people and 600,000 severely exposed people not a big deal either. And don't forget the exclusion zone which I believe exists to this day.
    And those things are not to be ignored, but it was a single accident in a relatively backward facility in a relatively backward country. In the United States in 2010 (or even more likely in 2020, when these things could actually go online) this is a much smaller risk.

    The biggest accident in THIS country was Three Mile Island...in which there were no direct fatalities, and according to most estimates fewer than 5 indirect fatalities from radiation.

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01
    same cannot be said of oil. Don't be absurd.
    Huh? Why could "world events" cut off our uranium supply but not our oil supply? It's much easier to stockpile several years' worth of uranium than several years' worth of oil.

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01
    But I'm not proposing oil is are best choice in the long run. I would rather see wind and solar pushed more.
    There's no reason we can't have nuclear power AND wind power AND solar power.

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01
    You don't know much about how the market and speculation effects the price of a commodity do you? You forget oil was really cheap once too.
    Irrelevant to the fact that the amount of uranium we would need is tiny compared to the amount of oil we need. There is simply no feasible way that the price would skyrocket to the point where we were paying as much to import uranium as we currently pay to import oil.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I hear there is a hell of a world market for that element.

    The US Navy has been operating nuclear reactors safely for 50 years. lots of them. The only real draw back is the waste, and you hit it right on the head.... old salt mines. They are geologically inactive for million year time periods, the perfect place to put the stuff.

    Didn't we start a facility like that at Yucca Mountain?.... and Barry shut it down?



    Nuclear Waste: Yucca Mountainís Scrapped, So What Now? - Environmental Capital - WSJ

    Yup, he sure did.
    You blame Obama for shutting down a facility that was never open?
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Uhh the by-product of OIL is extremely toxic for our air. The by-product of nuclear reactions are harmless as long as they are stored properly...which is more than you can say for oil.



    We import most of our uranium, but it takes relatively little uranium to power a nuclear plant. The biggest expense of a nuclear power plant is just building it, not the cost of uranium.

    If we switched from oil to nuclear power, we would spend a lot less money importing uranium than we spend importing oil.
    Primary use for oil is to fuel cars and trucks, not to make electricity. Less than 3% of electricity is produced by burning oil, and that is an old number. The percentage keeps going down.
    Nuclear is a replacement for coal, not oil.
    Electricity is no replacement for oil, not until we put about a hundred million battery powered cars on the road.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I 100% support this. Good Job Obama
    I do as well, Obama absolutely correct here. If we'd like to copy any Euro policies, I'd like it to be nuclear powered France where 80% of their needs are nuclear supplied.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    I do as well, Obama absolutely correct here. If we'd like to copy any Euro policies, I'd like it to be nuclear powered France where 80% of their needs are nuclear supplied.
    That's where the leftwing environazis lose me. They love France but won't support nuclear energy like them and the kooky British.
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