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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    So we're going to use another depletable energy source that we mostly import, but this time the by product is extremely toxic? Great.
    Uhh the by-product of OIL is extremely toxic for our air. The by-product of nuclear reactions are harmless as long as they are stored properly...which is more than you can say for oil.

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01
    Mining for uranium is quite pretty too btw considering it's very volume intensive.

    Did anyone know the U.S. imports 92 percent of our uranium? Kind of reminds me of oil.


    one of the biggest misconceptions about nuclear power at the moment is this: It will end our energy dependence foreigners. The truth is it will not. That's the dirty little secret most people don't know about nuclear power in the United States these days.

    Trends I'm Watching: U.S. Imports 92% of Uranium for Nuclear Power
    We import most of our uranium, but it takes relatively little uranium to power a nuclear plant. The biggest expense of a nuclear power plant is just building it, not the cost of uranium.

    If we switched from oil to nuclear power, we would spend a lot less money importing uranium than we spend importing oil.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Uhh the by-product of OIL is extremely toxic for our air. The by-product of nuclear reactions are harmless as long as they are stored properly...which is more than you can say for oil.
    That's a terrible argument. You can't store anything on this earth safely at 100 percent certainty no matter where you store it. Oil is biodegradable in a lot shorter time than nuclear waste. I'd rather take my chances with oil over something that has a half life of thousands of years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    We import most of our uranium, but it takes relatively little uranium to power a nuclear plant. The biggest expense of a nuclear power plant is just building it, not the cost of uranium.
    What happens if world events cut off that supply? Aren't we back to square one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If we switched from oil to nuclear power, we would spend a lot less money importing uranium than we spend importing oil.
    So you honestly don't think the price will go up with demand?

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Uhh the by-product of OIL is extremely toxic for our air.
    Carbon dioxide is "extremely toxic"?

    Since when?

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    That's a terrible argument. You can't store anything on this earth safely at 100 percent certainty no matter where you store it. Oil is biodegradable in a lot shorter time than nuclear waste. I'd rather take my chances with oil over something that has a half life of thousands of years.
    What's wrong with nuclear waste?

    It's small, easy to find, valuable, and when we really want to get rid of it, there'll always be Mecca.


    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    What happens if world events cut off that supply? Aren't we back to square one?
    Nah. Use the nuclear reactors to breed u238 into Pu239, and use that to fuel both nuclear weapons and power reactors. Certainly the only reason the US imports uranium is the desire to leave the dirty processing to some other place, we have in-ground reserves of the stuff.

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    That's a terrible argument. You can't store anything on this earth safely at 100 percent certainty no matter where you store it.
    Why must it be 100% certainty in order for it to be safer than oil?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01
    Oil is biodegradable in a lot shorter time than nuclear waste. I'd rather take my chances with oil over something that has a half life of thousands of years.
    Take your chances? Oil kills thousands of people every year. Nuclear power kills almost none. Even the worst nuclear disaster in history, Chernobyl, killed at most 4,000 people by most estimates...and systems have improved a lot since then.

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01
    What happens if world events cut off that supply? Aren't we back to square one?
    The same could be said of oil. And it's a lot easier to just get the nuclear fuel up front.

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01
    So you honestly don't think the price will go up with demand?
    Sure, but nowhere near enough that we'd have to shell out as much money on uranium as we spend on oil.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Carbon dioxide is "extremely toxic"?

    Since when?
    Carbon dioxide is not the only byproduct. Breathe from the exhaust pipe of your car some time.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Google LENR -- low energy nuclear reaction.

    There was a story on 60 minutes a while back.
    Hmmm....google Rankine Cycle and "Carnot Efficiency", contemplate the laws of thermodynamics, and start thinking about how BIG and inefficient any "low energy" nuclear reaction is going to be.

    Is there some reason we should abandon a proven and clean technology, nuclear fission, for some pie-in-the-sky laboratory experiment that has yet to power Christmas tree light bulb?

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Carbon dioxide is not the only byproduct. Breathe from the exhaust pipe of your car sometime.
    Oh, you mean the products of inefficient burning of hydrocarbons is temporarily and slightly toxic, harmful when taken in high quantities, but not actually harmful to the overall life of the planet it.

    I thought maybe you meant there was something harmful about burning gasoline.

    Glad to see you didn't mean that.

    What did you mean?

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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh, you mean the products of inefficient burning of hydrocarbons is temporarily and slightly toxic, harmful when taken in high quantities, but not actually harmful to the overall life of the planet it.

    I thought maybe you meant there was something harmful about burning gasoline.

    Glad to see you didn't mean that.

    What did you mean?
    I meant what I said: It's extremely toxic for our air. Go live in Shanghai for a while, then live in Vermont for a while. See if you notice the difference in air quality.
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    Re: Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I meant what I said: It's extremely toxic for our air. Go live in Dalian for a while, then live in Vermont for a while. See if you notice the difference in air quality.
    .....you don't even have to do that. Just go back as far as 2008 Beijing olympics. They had to basically ban cars from running on the roads so that the smog would not bother the athletes.
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