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    Re: Verdict reached in Kan. abortion slaying trial

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    I don't think they are, but I'm sure that's not your point.
    Actually that is my point. If abortion doctors are not murderers then why shouldn't abortions remain legal? Which means our abortion laws should not be changed and Roe versus Wade was the correct decision.

    But if abortion doctors are murderers then all of us should be doing everything in our power to stop them from killing again.
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    Re: Verdict reached in Kan. abortion slaying trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Ah, so he was never convicted of anything. And since Mr. Roeder took matters into his own hands and murdered Doctor Tiller we'll never know.
    The fact that Dr. Tiller will now never see prison is perhaps the only tragedy to come of all this.

    Although, the fact that he can no longer buy signatures to perform questionable abortions softens the disappointment. It would suck if Dr. Tiller were only wounded, healed and returned to his practice.

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    Re: Verdict reached in Kan. abortion slaying trial

    Why would Dr. Tiller see prison? Was he being investigated for some type of criminal activity? It's not illegal to be a Dr. and last I checked abortion is still quite legal. Which makes sense, a pregnant woman of 8 1/2 months could easily make the choice to step in front of a speeding train ending her life and that of the unborn. If a woman is really hell bent on not giving birth, abortion legal or not, it isn't going to interfere with that.

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    Re: Verdict reached in Kan. abortion slaying trial

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDude View Post
    Why would Dr. Tiller see prison?
    In recent years Dr. Tiller was investigated and charged a few times. There was one such investigation underway when he died.

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    Was he being investigated for some type of criminal activity?
    Illegally performing abortions, yes.

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    It's not illegal to be a Dr. and last I checked,
    He wasn't being investigated for being a doctor, he was being investigated for performing illegal procedures.

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    ...abortion is still quite legal.
    Within specific guidelines, yes. Dr.Tiller was skirting those guidelines, hence the investigations.

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    Which makes sense, a pregnant woman of 8 1/2 months could easily make the choice to step in front of a speeding train ending her life and that of the unborn.
    Good example, as that's also illegal. Even if she dies the woman's estate stands to pay for any damages inured by her act.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDude View Post
    If a woman is really hell bent on not giving birth, abortion legal or not, it isn't going to interfere with that.
    I have a hard time sympathizing with emos. An 8 1/2 month pregnant woman had a lot of time and advanced knowledge to abort.
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    Re: Verdict reached in Kan. abortion slaying trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What's sick is skirting the law to perform very late term abortions, not discussing a murder on a forum.

    My boss recently fired 2 guys who turned out to be registered sex offenders. Neither one of them were legally required to tell their employer any more, but the boss lady didn't want folks like that around.

    Since she didn't have "good cause" to terminate them, she knew that she would have to accept paying them workman's comp if she terminated them.

    She chose to pay the workman's comp and send them packing. She knew the consequences of her decision when she made it, and she doesn't cry about the additional over head.

    Scott Roeder does not appear to be a psychopathic loon acting impulsively. In fact everything about this story leads me to believe this is an issue he thought long and hard about. The court would seem to agree with this in it's conviction, that he knew what he was doing well in advance.

    He weighed his options and accepted the consequences of his choice. The left likes choice, right? Well, he made his.

    If you don't like abortion doctors being assassinated, don't kill one. I don't because I don't want the personal consequences. Apparently folks like Scott Roeder are willing to take those consequences.

    Also, if you don't want people gunning you down in church, don't skirt the law to perform very late term abortion. I hope every other late term abortion doctor takes this incident as a sign to stay well within the law.
    Workman's comp is insurance to pay your employees if they are injured on the job. There were no injuries in your case. If she fires the 2 employees and they filed for unemployment compensation the state would increase her quarterly rate. That's what she is worried about.

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    Re: Verdict reached in Kan. abortion slaying trial

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDude View Post
    Why would Dr. Tiller see prison? Was he being investigated for some type of criminal activity? It's not illegal to be a Dr. and last I checked abortion is still quite legal. Which makes sense, a pregnant woman of 8 1/2 months could easily make the choice to step in front of a speeding train ending her life and that of the unborn. If a woman is really hell bent on not giving birth, abortion legal or not, it isn't going to interfere with that.
    Read and learn:
    WICHITA, Kan. ó After years of investigations and four days of testimony, jurors here took just 45 minutes on Friday to acquit a controversial abortion doctor of charges that he performed 19 illegal late-term abortions in 2003.

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    The trial is not the end of Dr. Tillerís legal problems. The state Board of Healing Arts is investigating a complaint that mirrors the accusations made in the trial.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDude View Post
    If a woman is really hell bent on not giving birth, abortion legal or not, it isn't going to interfere with that.
    Well hell, I guess we don't really need laws about murder, do we? It didn't stop Roeder, did it?

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    Re: Verdict reached in Kan. abortion slaying trial

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Workman's comp is insurance to pay your employees if they are injured on the job. There were no injuries in your case. If she fires the 2 employees and they filed for unemployment compensation the state would increase her quarterly rate. That's what she is worried about.
    If your only retort is to correct my reference, then sure, but that doesn't address my argument one way or the other.

    You're basically just proof reading my post.

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    Re: Verdict reached in Kan. abortion slaying trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If your only retort is to correct my reference, then sure, but that doesn't address my argument one way or the other.

    You're basically just proof reading my post.
    My retort is that, despite my affection for you, you are way off base in your assessments of what is justice and what is not.

    If you would like to explore these things with me, I would be deeply appreciative of your attention. But if you spurn my advocact against your intellectual consistency, I would be only mildly offended that you didn't take me up on the challenge.
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    Re: Verdict reached in Kan. abortion slaying trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    My retort is that, despite my affection for you, you are way off base in your assessments of what is justice and what is not.

    If you would like to explore these things with me, I would be deeply appreciative of your attention. But if you spurn my advocact against your intellectual consistency, I would be only mildly offended that you didn't take me up on the challenge.
    There are a few things I am personally willing to murder over.

    For example, if a drunk killed my children and got anything less than life in prison without parole, I would kill that person. I would do it with the knowledge that I would spend the rest of my life in prison.

    I would call it in myself, perhaps even just before hand. I would do it with the understanding that my life is over from that moment on, and I admit suicide might seem to be a good alternative at that point.

    I would safe the gun and place it away from me before the police showed up. I would surrender, offering no resistance. I would plea 'no contest' to the ensuing charges.

    If publicity were high enough, I would offer an exclusive interview to the highest bidder, with payment going to an anti drunk driving or children's hospital charity (because I wouldn't be able to be paid for the interview myself).

    I say this so that you understand that generally speaking, my bottom line agrees with the basic idea of taking matters into one's own hands when the trusted authorities fail time and again. If our exchange would be an attempt to change my view, then I'm simply saving you time and effort.

    Exhaust all legal options first, and try to find piece in those results, but when the law fails time and again there comes a point where the individual needs to act.

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    Re: Verdict reached in Kan. abortion slaying trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    There are a few things I am personally willing to murder over.

    For example, if a drunk killed my children and got anything less than life in prison without parole, I would kill that person. I would do it with the knowledge that I would spend the rest of my life in prison.
    Then you would act irrationally in the defense of your children. I respect that and actually admire that. But let's not call it anything other than what it is.

    I would call it in myself, perhaps even just before hand. I would do it with the understanding that my life is over from that moment on, and I admit suicide might seem to be a good alternative at that point.
    Then your children should count themselves fortunate that they have a father so committed to them as you. Irrational as that is, I respect it.

    I would safe the gun and place it away from me before the police showed up. I would surrender, offering no resistance. I would plea 'no contest' to the ensuing charges.
    Then you would be teaching your children that despite your irrational response, that there should always be an adherence to justice. And I can respect that, too, despite cheering on your commitment to true and pure eye for an eye justice.


    If publicity were high enough, I would offer an exclusive interview to the highest bidder, with payment going to an anti drunk driving or children's hospital charity (because I wouldn't be able to be paid for the interview myself).
    That's your right...to get your story out there and appeal to the will of the public for a sense of justice. I, personally, would revoke such an appeal based on the sole fact that it was tainted from the onset, but that would be your right all the same.

    I say this so that you understand that generally speaking, my bottom line agrees with the basic idea of taking matters into one's own hands when the trusted authorities fail time and again.
    We cannot agree here. I would hang you with the same zeal that I would hang Batman or Superman. Our society is built on the concept that we make our rules and boundaries based on a pure and wholesome sense of a congregate philosophy of morality and ethics that is wrought by a representative government that has an inherent nod to every man by the sanctity of our vote. I'm sorry; I deeply respect and love your passion but I cannot respect and love your blatant disrespect for your fellow citizen. While I might silently pray for your soul, I would never openly agree with your actions.

    If our exchange would be an attempt to change my view, then I'm simply saving you time and effort.
    That's fine. You know me, and I think I know you well enought that I am safe from your passions and you are safe from my indignation at your affront to civility. We are friends here on this forum and in other contacts. Friends don't have to agree on all fronts. Enough said.

    Exhaust all legal options first, and try to find piece in those results, but when the law fails time and again there comes a point where the individual needs to act.
    We disagree here and this is a point of contention that leads us to conflict. I would prefer that I know your stance and you know mine and we move on from there.
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