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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Any review of the manned space exploration projects will reveal a massive amount of technology that transferred into our daily lives.

    Obama is interested in promoting as has been suggested already his furtherance of the HOAX of Global Warming.

    Obama knows almost nothing about anything that has to do with real progress and his poor education past his study of the Cloward and Piven Strategy, the Rules for Radicals by Saul Alensky, the guide lines of Hitler, and Marx is no existent.

    If it doesn't promote his Progressive intentions it's not part of anything he wants.

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    If the present situation is not halted there will be a real revolution and not the evolution Obama and his ilk are striving for and it's not something I want to see.

    NASA needs to be funded and pushed to do more with less and that would lead to innovation and great discoveries which has been the nature of man from the beginning of time.

    If there were no exploration we might be hundreds of years behind where we are in technology, not just in science but in health care, something Obama knows nothing but lies about so far.

    Records show that we are in a severe cooling trend and that CO2 levels are almost the same as they were 150 years ago. It has been revealed that many scientists have lied and have covered up facts that prove that global warming is a HOAX but Obama once again will continue his crusade as if none of it has come to light.

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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You made that claim, yes, but it was immediately countered (the cost of the mission was already figured into the budget), and that imaginary "extra cost" doesn't even matter, because the NASA budget is being increased. Not that you have any clue what it'll cost, what NASA's budget actually is, to make any determinations of how much it would "exceed" anything.
    Bull****; from the article:

    NASA's budget, just over $18.7 billion this year, is still expected to rise again in 2011, reports Space.com, though by much less than the $1 billion increase NASA and its contractors have been privately anticipating since mid-December. A White House-appointed panel, led by former Lockheed Martin chief Norm Augustine, urged these changes on the administration in December.

    The panel also said a worthwhile manned space exploration program would require Obama to budget about $55 billion for human spaceflight over the next five years, some $11 billion more than he included in the 2011-2015 forecast he sent Congress last spring.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Bull****; from the article:


    Reading comprehension is obviously not strong with you.

    Currently, NASA's budget is $18.7 billion, and increases are figured.

    Multiply that by five (2011-2015), what do you get?

    That's right -- $93 billion. Without increases.

    Is $55 billion more than $93 billion? Does it "greatly exceed" it?

    The article refers to what Obama's budget estimate for manned space flight programs was over those years, within the NASA budget, not in excess of it -- and it also refers to what some panel calls "worthwhile manned space flight," not just the Constellation program.

    And even if you increased the initial estimate from 93 billion over five years to 104 billion over five years -- which you would not have to do; you can simply shift funds within the budget instead of adding to it (like what they're DOING!) -- you'd have $20.8 billion a year instead of $18.7 billion. That's not "greatly exceeding."

    To say nothing of the fact that $55 billion, a mere $11 billion a year, for manned space flight is chickenfeed. Table scraps. A rounding error. Hardly a blip on hardly a blip. Hell, there's $350 billion in unused TARP funds sitting there that they don't want to give back, and they aren't spending it, so that takes care of the whole shebang almost seven times over.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Maybe, but there's no guarantee that there will be useful technological spin-offs from this particular mission. It's not like "Ok guys, on this mission we're going to get X number of civilian spin-offs and other advancements." Sure they probably would make advancements in the space flight/moon landing programs because the Shuttles are on their last legs so they'd probably have to design new ships, but aside from that...
    Is that the way it was during the Mercury/Apollo series? You think they were counting the number of technology spin-offs?
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Is that the way it was during the Mercury/Apollo series? You think they were counting the number of technology spin-offs?
    No, I'm just saying, there's no guarantees of useful advancements for civilians.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    To say nothing of the fact that $55 billion, a mere $11 billion a year, for manned space flight is chickenfeed. Table scraps. A rounding error. Hardly a blip on hardly a blip. Hell, there's $350 billion in unused TARP funds sitting there that they don't want to give back, and they aren't spending it, so that takes care of the whole shebang almost seven times over.
    See, this is where America's whole problem with fiscal conservatism comes in. Tack on extra "chicken feed" as you put it, to a whole bunch of different programs (including Defence), add some pork spending, problems with entitlement programs and that adds up to a lot of chicken feed! That is how fiscal conservatism works, you have to find the savings wherever you can. I'm not saying Obama is a fiscal conservative, he's not enough of one for my tastes.

    However, you're not really making a strong argument about why we should keep the Moon mission, your only points are symbolic nationalism, and a hope of technological advancement.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    No, I'm just saying, there's no guarantees of useful advancements for civilians.
    No guarantee, but if you look at the history of any scientific endeavor you will see the increase in knowledge benefiting civilians..... even the Manhattan project benefited civilians.

    So tell me, how will spending all of that money that could benefit people on a religious hoax help anyone?
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    See, this is where America's whole problem with fiscal conservatism comes in. Tack on extra "chicken feed" as you put it, to a whole bunch of different programs (including Defence), add some pork spending, problems with entitlement programs and that adds up to a lot of chicken feed! That is how fiscal conservatism works, you have to find the savings wherever you can. I'm not saying Obama is a fiscal conservative, he's not enough of one for my tastes.
    There's no savings. What is so difficult to understand about that? None. No savings. He's just spending the money on something else. And increasing it obscenely on lots of other stuff.

    How many ways does it need to be shown to you?


    However, you're not really making a strong argument about why we should keep the Moon mission, your only points are symbolic nationalism, and a hope of technological advancement.
    Why we should keep the Moon mission?

    Oh, no, there are lots of other reasons, too. Strategic reasons. Military reasons. Non-private technological reasons. The general advancement of mankind. All sorts of things.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    I loathe Obama and don't really agree with anything he says, support or does (or tries to do).

    But I agree that we should cut back/end altogether our space exploration for the time being.

    I love space - I think it's fascinating and I *do* want exploration to continue. But I don't think right now is the time to be flooding money into it when there are other, more important things to focus on.

    Unfortunately I know that the abstained money won't be redirected to other more important things - but it's a start.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There's no savings. What is so difficult to understand about that? None. No savings. He's just spending the money on something else. And increasing it obscenely on lots of other stuff.

    How many ways does it need to be shown to you?
    Apparently you don't understand how Obama's policy is a saved $11 Billion. And that's just the estimation, NASA would very likely go over-budget on a manned Moon mission. Even when Obama increases the NASA budget for climate change, it won't be as much as he would have to for a manned mission!

    You even admitted that $11 billion would be more than Obama is spending now. And yet now you go back and say there aren't savings, and you call me a fool? Yeesh.
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